Atheistic Logicians Revealed by their own attempt to present Scientist's Arguments as Unscientific.
Professing to be wise, they became fools . . .
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"LET ME EXPLAIN THE problem science has with Jesus Christ."
The ageing
atheist professor of philosophy pauses before his class
and then asks one of his new students to stand. "You're a Christian, aren't
you, son?"
"Yes, sir."
"So you believe in God?"
"Absolutely."
"Is God good?"
"Sure! God's good."
"Is God all-powerful? Can God do anything?"
"Yes."
"Are you good or evil?"
"The Bible says I'm evil."
The professor grins knowingly. "Ahh! THE BIBLE!"
He considers for a
moment. "Here's one for you. Let's say there's
a sick person over here and
you can cure him. You can do it. Would you
help them? "Would you try?"
"Yes sir, I would."
"So you're good...!"
"I wouldn't say that."
"Why not say that? You would help a sick and maimed
person if you could...
in fact most of us would if we could... God doesn't.
[No answer.]
"He doesn't, does he? My brother was a Christian
who died of cancer even
though he prayed to Jesus to heal him. How is this Jesus
good? Hmmm? Can
you answer that one?"
[No answer]
The elderly man is sympathetic. "No, you can't, can you?" He takes a sip of water from a glass on his desk to give the student time to relax. In philosophy, you have to go easy with the new ones. "Let's start again, young fella."
"Is God good?"
"Er... Yes."
"Is Satan good?"
"No."
"Where does Satan come from?" The student falters.
"From... God..."
"That's right. God made Satan, didn't he?" The elderly
man runs his bony
fingers through his thinning hair and turns to the smirking,
student audience. "I think we're going to have a lot of fun this semester,
ladies and gentlemen." He turns back to the Christian.
"Tell me, son. Is there evil in this world?"
"Yes, sir."
"Evil's everywhere, isn't it? Did God make everything?"
"Yes."
"Who created evil?
[No answer]
"Is there sickness in this world? Immorality? Hatred? Ugliness and Suffering. All the terrible things - do they exist in this world? "
The student squirms on his feet. "Yes."
"Who created them? "
[No answer]
The professor suddenly shouts at his student. "WHO CREATED THEM? TELL ME, PLEASE!"
The professor closes in for the kill and climbs into the Christian's face. In a still small voice: "God created all evil, didn't He, son?"
[No answer]
The student tries to hold the steady, experienced gaze and fails.
Suddenly the lecturer breaks away to pace the front of the classroom like an ageing panther. The class is mesmerized. "Tell me," he continues, "How is it that this God is good if He created all evil throughout all time?"
The professor swishes his arms around to encompass the
wickedness of the
world. "All the hatred, the brutality, all
the pain, all the torture, all the death and ugliness and all the suffering
created by this good God is all over the world, isn't it, young man?"
[No answer]
"Don't you see it all over the place? Huh?"
Pause.
"Don't you?" The professor leans into the student's face again and whispers, "Is God good?"
[No answer]
"Do you believe in Jesus Christ, son?"
The student's voice betrays him and cracks. "Yes, professor. I do."
The old man shakes his head sadly. "Science says you have
five senses you
use to identify and observe the world around you. Have
you seen Jesus? "
"No, sir. I've never seen Him."
"Then tell us if you've ever heard your Jesus?"
"No, sir. I have not."
"Have you ever felt your Jesus, tasted your Jesus or smelt
your Jesus... in
fact, do you have any sensory perception of your God
whatsoever?"
[No answer]
"Answer me, please."
"No, sir, I'm afraid I haven't."
"You're AFRAID... you haven't?"
"No, sir."
"Yet you still believe in him?"
"...yes..."
"That takes FAITH!" The professor smiles sagely
at the underling.
"According to the rules of empirical, testable, demonstrable
protocol,
science says your God doesn't exist. What do you
say to that, son? Where
is your God now?"
[The student doesn't answer]
"Sit down, please."
The Christian sits... Defeated.
Another person in the class raises his hand. "Professor, may I address the class?"
The professor turns and smiles. "Ah, another Christian
in the vanguard!
Come, come, young man. Speak some proper wisdom to the
gathering."
A Hare Krishna devotee actually sir, but yes, a believer in God, nontheless.
The devotee looks around the room. "Some interesting
points you are
making, sir. Now I've got a question for you. Is
there such thing as heat?"
"Yes," the professor replies. "There's heat."
"Is there such a thing as cold?"
"Yes, son, there's cold too."
"No, sir, there isn't."
The professor's grin freezes. The room suddenly goes very
cold. The second
devotee continues. "You can have lots of heat, even more
heat, super-heat, mega-heat, white heat, a little heat or no heat, but
we don't have anything called 'cold'. We can go 458 degrees below
zero, which is no heat, but we can't go any further after that. There
is no such thing as cold, otherwise we would be able to go colder than
458 -- You see, sir, cold is only a word we use to describe the absence
of heat. We cannot measure cold. Heat we can measure in thermal
units because heat is energy. Cold is not the opposite of heat, sir,
just the absence of it."
Silence. A pin drops somewhere in the classroom as if with a crash.
"Is there such a thing as darkness, professor?"
"That's a dumb question, son. What is night if it isn't
darkness? What are
you getting at...?"
"So you say there is such a thing as darkness?"
"Yes..."
"You're wrong again, sir. Darkness is not something, it
is the absence of
something. You can have low light, normal light,
bright light, flashing
light, but if you have no light constantly you have nothing
and it's called
darkness, isn't it? That's the meaning we use to define
the word. In reality, Darkness isn't. If it were, you would
be able to make darkness darker and give me a jar of it. Can you...
give me a jar of darker darkness, professor?"
Despite himself, the professor smiles at the young effrontery
before him.
This will indeed be a good semester. "Would you mind
telling us what your
point is, young man?"
"Yes, professor. My point is, your philosophical premise
is flawed to start
with and so your conclusion must be in error...."
The professor goes toxic. "Flawed...? How dare you...!""
"Sir, may I explain what I mean?"
The class is all ears.
"Explain... oh, explain..." The professor makes an admirable effort to regain control. Suddenly he is affability itself. He waves his hand to silence the class, for the student to continue.
"You are working on the premise of duality," the devotee
explains. "That
for example there is life and then there's death; a good
God and a bad God.
You are viewing the concept of God as something finite,
something we can
measure. Sir, science cannot even explain a thought.
It uses electricity and
magnetism, but has never seen, much less fully understood
them. To view death
as the opposite of life is to be ignorant of the fact
that death cannot exist as a substantive thing. Death is not the
opposite of life, merely the absence of it."
The young man holds up a newspaper he takes from the desk
of a neighbour who has been reading it. "Here is one of the most
disgusting tabloids this
country hosts, professor. Is there such a thing as immorality?"
"Of course there is, now look..."
"Wrong again, sir. You see, immorality is merely
the absence of morality.
Is there such thing as injustice? No. Injustice
is the absence of justice.
Is there such a thing as evil?" The devotee
pauses. "Isn't evil the absence of good?"
The professor's face has turned an alarming colour. He
is so angry he is
temporarily speechless.
The devotee continues. "If there is evil in the world, professor, and we all agree there is, then God, if he exists, must be accomplishing a work through the agency of evil. What is that work, God is accomplishing? The Bible, the Gita and the Koran - all the Holy books tell us it is to see if each one of us will, of our own free will, choose good over evil."
The professor bridles. "As a philosophical scientist, I don't vie this matter as having anything to do with any choice; as a realist, I absolutely do not recognize the concept of God or any other theological factor as being part of the world equation because God is not observable."
"I would have thought that the absence of God's moral
code in this world is
probably one of the most observable phenomena going,"
the devotee replies.
"Newspapers make billions of dollars reporting it every
week! Tell me,
professor. Do you teach your students that they
evolved from a monkey?"
"If you are referring to the natural evolutionary process,
young man, yes,
of course I do", bawlked the professor.
"Have you ever observed evolution with your own eyes, sir?"
The professor makes a sucking sound with his teeth and
gives his student a
silent, stony stare.
"Professor. Since no-one has ever observed the process of evolution at work and cannot even prove that this process is an on-going endeavour, are you not teaching your opinion, sir? Are you now not a scientist, but a priest teaching faith?"
"I'll overlook your impudence in the light of our philosophical
discussion.
Now, have you quite finished?" the professor hisses.
"So you don't accept God's moral code to do what is righteous?"
"I believe in what is - that's science!"
"Ahh! SCIENCE!" the student's face splits into a grin. "Sir, you rightly state that science is the study of observed phenomena. Science too is a premise which is flawed..."
"SCIENCE IS FLAWED..?" the professor splutters.
The class is in uproar.
The devotee remains standing until the commotion has subsided. "To continue the point you were making earlier to the other student, may I give you an example of what I mean?" The professor wisely keeps silent.
The devotee looks around the room. "Is there anyone
in the class who has
ever seen the professor's brain?" The class breaks
out in laughter.
The devotee points towards his elderly, crumbling tutor.
"Is there anyone
here who has ever heard the professor's brain...
felt the professor's brain,
touched or smelt the professor's brain?" No one
appears to have done so.
The devotee shakes his head sadly. "It appears
no-one here has had any
sensory perception of the professor's brain whatsoever.
Well, according to
the rules of empirical, stable, demonstrable protocol,
science, I DECLARE
that the professor has no brain."
Wouldn't the same reasoning apply to your emotions and your will?
"Our philopsophy is that you, the living being are hidden within that body, adorned with many wonderful qualities, and although I cannot observe it with my/our limited senses, or within the limited parameters which you want to place God within.
"If I want to know your mind or better yet the real you (your mind, emotions, will and even you the spirit soul), all I have to do, if you are willing to be known, is be willing to seek to know you and to spend time with you. "You can know that God exists, .... if you are willing ... Are you willing Professor?"
The class is in chaos.
The devotee sits... Because that is what a chair is for.
Silence Silence Silence Silence Silence Silence Silence
(you can hear it......)
"Class dismissed," replies the professor. "Time is up!"
~ unknown author
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