Newsletter Number #144  ( January issue 2005 A.D. Gaurabda 518)

ki jaya


Please Accept My Respectful Obeisances & Best Wishes To All


All Glories To Srila Prabhupad.

/ \ All Glories to Sri Guru and Gauranga.

Welcome to the latest re-vamped edition of the on-line HKSRNewsletter, and our humble attempt to render some service to the devotee community. As you can see we've changed the format, and everything is here hyper-linked on-line, we hope it's now easier for you all. This newsletter now goes out to way over 2108 receivers. We trust that all is well with everyone by the Mercy of the Lord. However, if anyone would like to be removed please just send us a message requesting me to do so, and we will do it promptly. If you are receiving this from a friend, and would like to be added directly to the mailout please also let us know and we will do the needful there too. Removal and Subscription details at the very end of this newsletter.

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IN THIS ISSUE: (click on the hyper-linked underlined below to jump there...)
WWW - news and views: Calendar Updates & Events - Festivals, Feasts, Fasts & Functions:

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Vaishnava Calendar for 2005-2006????
(some selected locations are available already below)

The present year's calendar:

Download the Vaishnava Calendar software VCAL 4.01

Local temples

Words of Wisdom - Shastra & Shastrakaras speak:
... (Srila Prabhupad & the previous Acharyas)
... Coming Festivals
... Local temples
... Verses from Shastra
... Hare Krishna Maha Mantra
... Hare Krishna as ancient religion - NOT a cult
... Vaishnava Songs
... Samskaras and Agama Tantra
... Articles - Topical links - Do bad things happen to good people??? etc
... Vedik revival - Vedik World Heritage

Advertisements - what's on where: check them out...
... Cyber Community Notice Board
...lastest important news items !!!!

... Hare Krishna School in Auckland
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... Singles - Hare Krishna Singles - Vegetarian Singles - Marriage Compatibility checking
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... Sri Shalagram Tirtha Pradarshini web-site and new newsletter
... Vegetarianism and Beyond site gets re-vamped
... Gaura Yoga - Wellington
... The Loft Auckland
... The new Auckland Temple now open

... Boxing Day Asian Tsunami Disaster Food (prasadam) Relief Appeal

... and much more

At Grass Roots: Topical stuff
... Seasonal Greetings...Happy 2005
... Have a Happy Year - Gaurabda 518

Prasadam Recipes: To slake the thirst of body, mind & soul
... some really useful Vege links and support
... inspiring Vegetarian articles
... Eggless cooking - baking - cakes
... Vegetarian Cheeses - new page (try the Tuxford range...)(updated August 2004)
... Vegetarian clubs
... Hare Krishna Food For Life - local and international food relief
... check out the new Ekadasi recipes link
... 101 reasons to be a vegetarian
... Meat substitutes - Tofu - Soy - TVP - tempe recipes
... White Sugar free from bone char in NZ
... FREE Meet your Meat CDRoms
... How to offer your food to God
... You mean that's in the Bible?
... visit our Vegetarianism and Beyond Award winning web-site
... Kurma's new web-site
... The Meatrix
... Holiday Season & Xmas survival recipes

Krishna conscious - Vedikly acceptable jokes:
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... did U ever wonder -  Ways of the world - Strange but true

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Simply the Cheapest & Best

The Interactive Vaishnava Calendar page of Fasts, Festivals, Functions and Feasts. ( )

Now you can view the FULL years 1999-2000 & 2000-2001 & 2001-2002 & 2002-2003 & 2003-2004 & 2004-2005.
All Calendar entries are explained - Appearance or Disappearance
days, festivals, fasts, feasts, etc.

View previous years festival dates on the Calendar:
Vaishnava Calendar for 2005-2006????
(some selected locations are available already below)

The present year's calendar:

Sri Devananda Pandit - Disappearance  - Tirubhav

Fasting for Saphala Ekadasi - (Fasting from Beans and Grains - 7th January 2005  in NZ)

Sri Mahesa Pandit - Disappearance  - Tirubhav

Sri Uddharana Datta - Disappearance  - Tirubhav

Sri Locana Das Thakur - Appearance  - Avirbhav

Srila Jiva Goswami - Disappearance  - Tirubhav

Sri Jagadisa Pandit - Disappearance  - Tirubhav

Makara Sankranti (Sun enters Capricorn)
Makara Sankranti all about Makara sankranti

Fasting for Putrada Ekadasi - (Fasting from Beans and Grains - 21st January 2005  in NZ)

Sri Jagadisa Pandit - Appearance  - Avirbhav

Sri Krsna Pusya abhisheka

Sri Ramacandra Kaviraja - Disappearance  - Tirubhav

Srila Gopal Bhatta Goswami - Appearance  - Avirbhav

Sri Jayadeva Goswami - Disappearance  - Tirubhav

Sri Locana Das Thakur - Disappearance  - Tirubhav

Fasting for Sat-tila Ekadasi - (Fasting from Beans and Grains - 5th February 2005  in NZ)

Sri Ganga Sagara Mela

Sri Vasanta Pancami

Srimati Visnupriya Devi - Appearance  - Avirbhav

Srimati Sarasvati Puja

Srila Visvanatha Cakravarti Thakur - Disappearance  - Tirubhav

Sri Pundarika Vidyanidhi - Appearance  - Avirbhav

Sri Raghunandana Thakur - Appearance  - Avirbhav

Sri Raghunatha Das Goswami - Appearance  - Avirbhav

Kumbha Sankranti (Sun enters Aquarius)

Sri Advaita Acarya - Appearance  - Avirbhav (Fasting till noon)

Sri Bhismastami

Sripad Madhvacarya - Disappearance  - Tirubhav

Sripad Ramanujacarya - Disappearance  - Tirubhav

Fasting for Bhaimi Ekadasi - (Fasting from Beans and Grains - 20th February 2005  in NZ)

Sri Varaha Dvadasi - Appearance of Lord Varaha deva
(The fast is observed till noon on the Ekadasi)(Feasting is done today.)

Sri Nityananda Trayodasi - Appearance of Nityananda Prabhu (Fasting till noon - 22nd Feb in NZ)

Sri Krsna Madhura utsava

Srila Narottama Das Thakur - Appearance  - Avirbhav

Sri Purusottama Das Thakur - Disappearance  - Tirubhav

Srila Gour Govinda Swami -- Disappearance  - Tirubhav

Srila Bhaktisiddhanta Sarasvati Thakur Prabhupad - Appearance  - Avirbhav (Fasting till noon)

Fasting for Vijaya Ekadasi- (Fasting from Beans and Grains - 7th March 2005  in NZ)

Sripad Isvara Puri - Disappearance  - Tirubhav

Sri Shiva Ratri - Appearance Day of Lord Shiva

Srila Jagannatha Das Babaji - Disappearance  - Tirubhav

Sri Rasikananda - Disappearance  - Tirubhav

Sri Purusottama Das Thakur - Appearance  - Avirbhav

Mina Sankranti (Sun enters Pisces)

Fasting for Amalaki vrata Ekadasi - (Fasting from Beans and Grains - 21st March 2005  in NZ)

Sripad Madhavendra Puri - Disappearance  - Tirubhav


Sri Krishna Chaitanya (Gauranga) Mahaprabhu - Appearance - ( 26th March 2005 in NZ )
Gaura Purnima - (Fasting Ekadasi style untill moonrise)

Jatakarma Festival of Srila Jagannatha Misra for Birth of Baby Lord Chaitanya

This year's also now available for viewing:

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Check out the Ekadasi pages with links to every Ekadasi:
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kasmad ekadasi jata tasyah ko va vidhir dvija
kada va kriyate kim va phalam kim va vadasva me

ka va pujyatama tatra devata sad-gunarnava
akurvatah syat ko dosa etan me vaktum arhasi

"Oh Gurudeva! When did Ekadasi take birth and from whom did she appear? What are the rules of fasting on the Ekadasi? Please describe the benefits of following this vow and when it should be followed. Who is the utmost worshippable presiding deity of Sri Ekadasi? What are the faults in not following Ekadasi properly? Please bestow your mercy upon me and tell about these subjects, as you are the only personality able to do so."

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Adelaide - Australia Hong Kong  - China Muscat - Oman
Atlanta GA  - USA Johannesburg - RSA New York - NYC - USA
Auckland  - New Zealand Katikati  - New Zealand Perth  - Australia
Bangalore - India Kuala Lumpur - Malaysia Singapore
Bangkok - Thailand Kuwait Suva - Fiji
Boston - MA - USA London  - UK Sydney - Australia
Brisbane  - Australia Los Angeles - CA - USA Toronto - Canada
Calcutta - Kolkata - India Madras (Chennai) Trinidad
Caracas - Venezuala Malawi - Africa Vrindavan - UP - India
Christchurch  - New Zealand Manchester - UK Wellington - New Zealand
Delhi - New Delhi - UP - India Mauritus Whakatane - New Zealand
Dubai  - UAE Mayapura - W.Bengal - India
Durban - RSA Melbourne  - Australia Any others??????????????
Glasgow  - Scotland Monte Video - Uruguay
Hamilton  - New Zealand Munich (Munchen)  - Germany


Adelaide - Australia Hamilton  - New Zealand Melbourne  - Australia
Atlanta GA  - USA Hawera - New Zealand Monte Video - Uruguay
Auckland  - New Zealand Hong Kong  - China Moscow - CIS - Russia
Bangalore - India Jakarta - Indonesia Munich (Munchen)  - Germany
Bangkok - Thailand Johannesburg - RSA Muscat - Oman
Boston - MA - USA Katikati  - New Zealand New York - NYC - USA
Brisbane  - Australia Kuala Lumpur - Malaysia Perth  - Australia
Calcutta - Kolkata - India Kuwait City  - Al kuwait - Kuwait Singapore
Caracas - Venezuala London  - UK Suva - Fiji
Carterton - New Zealand Los Angeles - CA - USA Sydney - Australia
Christchurch  - New Zealand Madras (Chennai) India Toronto - Canada
(New) Delhi - Delhi - UP - India Malawi - Africa Trinidad
Dubai  - UAE Manchester - UK Vrindavan - UP - India
Durban - RSA Mauritus Wellington - New Zealand
Glasgow  - Scotland Mayapura - W.Bengal - India Whakatane - New Zealand
...just a few places where our readers are located.


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Dear friends,

Hare Krishna.  ISKCON Food for Life is working to give assistance to those
who are suffering from this immense disaster.

Please read more on the FFL website,

We pray that the Lord will comfort those who are in need or who have lost loved ones.

I am sure you  are all aware of the recent earthquake off the coast of Indonesia and the subsequent Tsunami waves that have devastated Sri Lanka, India and Africa, and have taken the lives of more than 125,000 people.  The death rate is rising by the hour, and Food for Life is responding to this disaster with all the resources we have available in several countries involved.
We will bring you more information on our efforts soon.

If you would like to help our relief efforts donations may be given through the web, or the Auckland temple office can forward on your behalf, or see Iskcon Sri Lankan appeal below.

Your servant in Lord Krishna's service,

Thank you for your friendship, from FFL Global Director, Priyavrata das

ISKCON Sri Lanka is providing cooked prasadam (food) for the tsunami victims. The victims are desperate. They have no facility to cook food. They have no place, they have no utensils and it is a necessity for us to provide them with cooked prasadam (food).

Mahakarta Dasa (Prabhupada's disciple) is the temple president of ISKCON Sri Lanka, and he is the coordinator of this Food for life relief program for the tsunami victims.
The program starts from today (31st December 2004). The Temple President has gone to Trincomalee (worst affected area) this morning to directly supervise the program with some congregational devotees where prasadam will be cooked and distributed to the victims, beginning from 5000 plates per day. We are starting from Trincomalee and it is the worst affected area in Sri Lanka.

This food for life program will continue for a long period and the program will expand to the other affected areas in the country and for this your help is very much needed.

Sri Lanka is among the worst affected by the recent earthquake in Sumatra (Indonesia) and the subsequent tidal wave which has affected many countries in this region. The tide was 40ft high. In the recent news this morning, the death rate has increased to more than 25000 and many thousands are still missing. Over a million are refugees. The refugees have taken shelter in hospitals, schools and temples. Hospitals have been washed out along with the patients and doctors. To continue this, we need assistance and we have to also go to different affected areas.

So the food for life project by ISKCON (Sri Lanka) should provide a minimum of at least ten thousand plate per day or it will be insufficient for the victims.

How to donate

100% of the donations will be given to the tsunami victims. We will also supply medical items, sleeping mats, bed sheets etc as we receive.

We need assistance from you also for this humanitarian service. Please donate generously for this cause and inform your friends to donate for this purpose. Contact us for further information.

Mahakarta Dasa (Prabhupada's disciple) is the temple president of ISKCON Sri Lanka, and he is the coordinator of this relief program for the tsunami victims in Sri Lanka.

We are the only authorized ISKCON center in Sri Lanka :

Address:  Sri Sri Radha Krishna Temple (ISKCON Sri Lanka)
               188, new chetty street,
               Colombo 13
               Sri Lanka

phone: (00941) 2433325
fax: (00941) 2471099

GBC: H.H.Jayapataka Swami
Co GBC: H.H.Bhanu Swami

Your donations could be sent by draft/cheque/ money order on behalf of the ISKCON account mentioned below to the ISKCON Sri Lanka address:

ISKCON Sri Lanka, 188, New chetty street, Colombo 13, Sri Lanka

Bank account name: ISKCON
Account no: 1050669901
Bank name and address: Commercial bank company Ltd
Kotahena branch
Colombo 13
Sri Lanka


If you deposit the cheques or drafts in any bank of your country (eg. western union) it will be transferred to the bank here.


If you wish to send the money through your credit card, you could also do that the same precedure via the bank in your country directing it to the ISKCON account here in sri lanka.

But you should mention the bank and the branch name and address where the money is to be transferred.

Please contact us via email for further information.

Thanking you
Your humble servant
Nandarani dd
ISKCON Sri Lanka

Festivals Coming Soon

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14th January 2005 (in NZ)

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Srimad Bhagavad Gita AS IT IS

Bhagavad Gita:  Chapter 2 - Contents of the Gita Summarized

                                 TEXT 57

                         yah sarvatranabhisnehas
                       tat tat prapya subhasubham
                         nabhinandati na dvesti
                        tasya prajna pratisthita

   yah--one who; sarvatra--everywhere; anabhisnehah--without affection; tat--that; tat--that; prapya--achieving; subha--good; asubham--evil; na--never; abhinandati--praises; na--never; dvesti--envies; tasya--his; prajna--perfect knowledge; pratisthita--fixed.

   In the material world, one who is unaffected by whatever good or evil he may obtain, neither praising it nor despising it, is firmly fixed in perfect knowledge.

PURPORT by HDG Srila A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada:
   There is always some upheaval in the material world which may be good or evil. One who is not agitated by such material upheavals, who is unaffected by good and evil, is to be understood to be fixed in Krsna consciousness. As long as one is in the material world there is always the possibility of good and evil because this world is full of duality. But one who is fixed in Krsna consciousness is not affected by good and evil, because he is simply concerned with Krsna, who is all-good absolute. Such consciousness in Krsna situates one in a perfect transcendental position called, technically, samadhi.

 - His Divine Grace A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada

Copyright 1983 The Bhaktivedanta Book Trust International. Used with permission.

 - His Divine Grace A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada

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Prabhupada Tells Short Stories

"There is a very instructive story, and it is a historical fact. The Muslim emperor Akhbar once inquired from his minister, 'How long does one remain in lusty desires?'

"The minister replied, 'Up to the last point of death.'

"Akhbar did not believe it, and he said, 'No, no, how can you say that?'

"'All right,' said the minister. 'I shall reply in time.'

"So one day,  all of a sudden,  the minister approached the emperor and said, 'You be immediately ready to come with me with your young daughter.' Akhbar knew that his minister was very intelligent and that there must be some purpose. He went with him,  and the minister took him to a person who was going to die. The minister then asked Akhbar, 'Kindly study the man who is about to die, on his face.'

"So Akhbar noticed that as he and his young daughter were entering,  the dying man was looking to the face of the young girl. In this way, Akhbar understood, 'Yes, what he said is true. Up to the last point of death the desire is there to see the face of a young girl.'

"This is called duspurena -- it is never fulfilled. This attraction of man and woman and family life continues."

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...................and be Happy

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"Don't Think God Has No Feeling"

Srimad-Bhagavatam 7.9.5
Mayapur, February 25, 1977

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Pradyumna: "Translation: When Lord Nrsimhadeva saw the small boy Prahlada Maharaja prostrated at the soles of His lotus feet, He became most ecstatic in affection toward His devotee. Raising Prahlada, the Lord placed His lotus hand upon the boy's head because His hand is always ready to create fearlessness in all of His devotees."


sva-pada-mule patitam tam arbhakam
vilokya devah krpaya pariplutah
utthapya tac-chirsny adadhat karambujam
kalahi-vitrasta-dhiyam krtabhayam
 [SB 7.9.5]

So to become devotee or favorite to the Supreme Personality of Godhead is very easy. It is not at all difficult. Here we see the example, Prahlada Maharaja, a five year old boy... [break] He's a devotee. He only knows the Supreme Lord, and he offered obeisances. That is his qualification. Anyone can do that. Anyone can come here in the temple and offer obeisances. Where is the difficulty? Simply one must have the sense that "Here is the Supreme Personality of Godhead Krsna or Nrsimhadeva or any one of His multi-expansions."

In the sastra it is said, advaitam acyutam anadim ananta-rupam [Bs. 5.33]. Krsna has ananta-rupam. Therefore every rupa is expansion of Krsna's original rupa. The original rupa is Krsna. Krsnas tu bhagavan svayam [SB 1.3.28]. Then there are so many rupas: Rama, Nrsimha, Varaha, Balarama, Parasurama, Mina, Tortoise, Nrsimhadeva. Ramadi-murtisu kala-niyamena tisthan [Bs. 5.39]. He's always existing with different forms, not that he is existing only in Krsna form. Every form... Ramadi-murtisu. The same example, as we have given many times: just like the sun, time of sun, twenty-four hours, so out of the twenty-four hours or twenty-four incarnations, any time is present. It is not that now it is, say, eight o'clock. Then seven o'clock is finished. No. There is seven o'clock in any other part of the world. Or nine o'clock. Nine o'clock is also present. Twelve o'clock is also present. We have got one watch given by Gurukrpa Maharaja. (laughter) He has brought from Japan. It is very nice. Immediately you can see what is the time now in different places, immediately. So all of them are existing. Therefore Krsna's lila is called nitya-lila, not that one lila is going on, other lila is finished, no. Everything is existing simultaneous. Therefore this word is used, ramadi-murtisu. Ramadi-murtisu kala-niyamena tis... Niyamena. Exactly in due time... Just like the sun, exactly. Formerly there was no watch, but by the shadow one could study. You can study now also. Even now. In our childhood we used to study by seeing the shadow. "Now it is this time" -- and exactly the same time. So kala-niyamena tisthan, not that haphazardly -- now this shadow is one o'clock here, and next day, one o'clock there, no. The same place, you'll find. Kala-niyamena tisthan.

Similarly, Krsna's lila, niyamena tisthan -- exactly. There are innumerable universes. Here Krsna is born. Now Krsna is taken by Vasudeva to Vrndavana. Same thing -- immediately here born, Krsna has gone to Vrndavana -- in another universe Krsna is born. Krsna is born again. In this way His lila is going on. There is no cessation, neither there is any discrepancy of time. Exactly. Just like Krsna comes upon this earth once in Brahma's day. So so many millions of years, Krsna will appear again, if not personally, by His expansion, amsena. Caitanya Mahaprabhu will appear exactly in due course of time. Lord Ramacandra will appear. So ramadi murtisu kala-niyamena tisthan [Bs. 5.39]. So this lila, Nrsimhadeva, that is also exactly in time.

So sva-pada-mule patitam tam arbhakam. Very innocent child. If an innocent child like Prahlada Maharaja, he can get so much mercy of Nrsimhadeva, so pierceful appearance of the Lord that even Laksmi could not approach... Asruta. Adrsta asruta purva. There was no such form of the Lord. Even Laksmi did not know. But Prahlada Maharaja, he's not afraid. He knows, "Here is my Lord." Just like the cub of a lion, he is not afraid of the lion. He immediately jumps to the head of the lion because he knows, "It is my father. It is my mother." Similarly, Prahlada Maharaja is not afraid, although Brahma and others, all demigods, became afraid to approach the Lord. He simply as an innocent child came and offered his obeisances. Tam arbhakam vilokya. So, so God is not impersonal. Immediately he could understand, "Oh, here is an innocent child. He has been harassed by his father so much and now he's offering his obeisances unto me." Vilokya devah krpaya pariplutah. He became very much, I mean to say, melted with mercy. So thing, everything is there. Don't think that God has no feeling, thinking, feeling. No. Everything is there. Unless He has got sympathetic feeling in Him, where we have got it? Because everything is coming from God. Janmady asya yatah [SB 1.1.1].

Athato brahma jijnasa. What is Brahman? Brahman means the original source of everything. That is Brahman. Brhatvat brhanatvat. So if this feeling is not there in God, then how He can be God, this feeling? Just like if one innocent little child comes and offers some respect to us, immediately we become feelingly merciful: "Oh, here is a nice child." So Lord Krsna, Nrsimhadeva, He also became pariplutah, feelingly merciful, not ordinary merciful, feeling that "How innocent this child is." So feelingly, utthapya: immediately got him up. "My dear child, get up." And immediately put his hand on the head. Utthapya tac-chirsny adadhat karambujam. Karambhuja, lotus hand, lotus palm. So these feelings are there. And He wanted... Because this boy was bewildered that such a big murti came from the thumbs(?), the columns and the father, gigantic father, is dead, naturally he is little disturbed in mind. So therefore vitrasta-dhiyam krtabhayam: "My dear child, don't be afraid. Everything is all right. I am present and there is no fear. Be pacified. I will give you protection." So this is the exchange. So there is no need of very, becoming very learned man, Vedantist and... Simply these things are required: you become innocent, accept the Supreme Personality of Godhead, and fall down at His lotus feet. Everything is complete. This is wanted, simplicity. Simplicity. Believe in Krsna. As Krsna said, mattah parataram nanyat kincid asti dhanan... [Bg. 7.7], believe it! There is no more superior authority than Krsna


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 There is a new book out complied by our recently departed godsister, Mulaprakriti dasi. Its called "Our Srila Prabhupada, A Friend to All." It is a series of interviews with people who knew Srila Prabhupada before he came to the West. One of them, Gopal Chandra Ghosh, who works at the Vrndavana Research Institute, recounts how in the early 60s when Srila Prabhupada was living at Radha Damodara temple, Srila Prabhupada told him how he had been chanting one night and three effulgent personalities appeared before him, dressed in kauping and kanti mala and chanting japa. Two were older, one was younger. They were Srila Rupa, Sanatana and Jiva Goswamis. They instructed him on his writing of the Bhagavatam (which Srila Prabhupada had just started at that time) and how to preach.

 Of course, many people may claim to have special relationships with Srila Prabhupada now that he has departed, but at least in this instance, I had a confirmation from Srila Prabhupada himself about this incident.

 In 1976, I had heard from Harikesa that Rupa Goswami had appeared to Srila Prabhupada but he didn't know any details. I was intrigued and one day I asked Srila Prabhupada about it. Here's my entry from TD vol. 3:

July 26, 1976 -- London

When Harikesa went out to attend to some work, I remained a few minutes more, alone with His Divine Grace. During the conversation I had flipped through the pages of the new book and had noticed a picture of Srila Prabhupada's kitchen in the Radha-Damodara temple in Vrndavana. I now told him about it.
"Oh! Where it is?" he enthusiastically asked. I found the page for him. Opportunities like this don't arise frequently, so as he inspected the brownish photo I asked a few questions about Prabhupada's life before ISKCON. "Through that window you could see Rupa Gosvami's samadhi. And for those two rooms they were charging five rupees a month?"
"Yes," Prabhupada said. "These rooms were broken. So they told me that 'You can repair these, and whatever you like, you can give.' So I thought, 'Don't need much space.' Before me there was a tenant in that other room, he was paying three rupees. So I thought, 'Two rooms, but I have spent money. So I'll give him five.' Now I am giving them ten rupees."
"To retain it."
"Sometimes the devotees go down there and clean out the rooms," I told him,
"and they have kirtana there sometimes. I think this is the first book that someone included this photo."
"Yes. It was very calm and quiet. And people used to offer obeisances from outside because they knew. Practically everyone knew me. So they used to offer ..."
"You were very well known in Vrndavana before you came?"
"Not very well known, but people knew me."
"Because you were writing?"
"Or because of your ambition to come to the West?"
"No, at that time there was no such thing," Prabhupada replied. "I was living there, retired man."
"So when you went to Vrndavana, you'd given up the idea of coming to the West?"
"No, coming to the West, the idea was there, but I was planning how to go, how to go there, how to preach there, how to take some books, how to bring them -- everything alone ..."
"So as soon as you had some books then you were ..."
"Yes. Then I decided. Everything was being dictated by superior."
With Srila Prabhupada in such a congenial mood, I took the courage to broach something Harikesa once mentioned to me. "I was told that one day you were told by Rupa Gosvami that you must go."
Prabhupada's mood changed slightly. "But that was open secret," he said dismissively. "Everyone knew." Then he changed the subject.

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"As the embodied soul continually passes in this body from boyhood to youth to old age, the soul similarly passes into another body at death. The self-realized soul in not bewildered by such a change." [Bhagavad Gita. 2.13]

The Holy Name Cannot be Realized Through the Material Senses

ataù çré kåñëa nämädi na bhaved grähyam indriyaiù
sevon-mukhe hi jihvädau svayam eva sphuratyadaù

          Therefore the material senses cannot appreciate Kåñëa's holy name, form, qualities, and pastimes. When a conditioned soul is awakened to Kåñëa consciousness and renders service by using his tongue to chant the Lord's holy name and taste the remnants of the Lord's food, the tongue is purified, and one gradually comes to understand who Kåñëa really is. In other words, the holy name of Kåñëa can never be grasped by the material senses. Only by rendering devotional service, beginning with vibrating the Lord's glories upon the tongue, can one realize Kåñëa, for he will reveal Himself directly to the sincere soul. The formula for perfection in chanting the holy name. (Bhakti-rasämåta-sindhu 1.2.234)

Hare Kåñëa is the Mahä-mantra for the Age of Kali

hare kåñëa hare kåñëa kåñëa kåñëa hare hare
hare räma hare räma räma räma hare hare
ñoòaçaitäni nämäni dvätriàçad varëakäni hi
kalau yuge mahä-mantraù sammato jévatäraëe
varjayitvä tu nämaitad durjanaiù parikalpitam
chandobaddhaà susiddhänta viruddhaà näbhyaset padam
tärakaà brahma-nämaitad brahmaëä guruëädinä
kalisantaraëädyäsu çruti-svadhigataà hareù
präptaà çré brahma-çiñyeëa çré näradena dhématä
nämaitad-uttamaà çrauta-päramparyeëa brahmaëaù
utsåjyaitan-mahä-mantraà ye tvanyat kaepitaà padam
mahänämeti gäyanti te çästra-guru laëghanaù
tattva-virodha-saopåktaà tädåçaà daurjanaà matam
sravathä parihäryaà syädätma-hitärthinä sadä
hare kåñëa hare kåñëa kåñëa kåñëa hare hare
hare räma hare räma räma räma hare hare

            Hare kåñëa hare kåñëa kåñëa kåñëa hare hare, hare räma hare räma räma räma hare hare: This sixteen-name, thirty-two syllable mantra is the mahä-mantra in the age of Kali by which all living beings can be delivered. One should never abandon chanting this mahä-mantra and take to other so-called purificatory processes which are practiced by rascals, or engage in chanting other metrical compositions of the name of Kåñëa that are against the pure conclusions of the scriptures, or are filled with rasàbhäsa. About this divinely spiritual mahä-mantra, which delivers one from material existence, the original guru, Lord Brahmä, has said, kali-santaraåädi çrutite, "The çrutis have declared this mantra to be the best means of deliverance in the age of Kali". Having all heard this from Brahmä, the sons and disciples of Brahmä, beginning with Närada, all accepted the Hare Kåñëa mahä-mantra and, having meditated on it, attained perfection. (Ananta-Saàhitä)

The Principal Result of Chanting the Holy Name is Kåñëa-prema,
Not Dharma, Artha, Käma or Mokña

bhaktistvayi sthiratarä bhagavan yadi syäd
daivena naù phalati divya-kiçora-mürtiù
muktiù svayaà mukulitäïjali sevate'smän
dharmärtha-käma-gatayaù samaya-pratékñäù

          O Lord when a devotee, by good fortune, develops unflinching devotion to Your transcendentally beautiful, youthful form, then liberation herself waits with folded hands to be his maidservant. And right behind liberation, piety, economic development, and sense enjoyment will wait for the chance to serve. (Kåñëa-karëämåta 107)

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(A.P.) COLOMBO, Sri Lanka Dec 27, 2004 — Rescuers piled up bodies along coastlines devastated by a tsunami that obliterated seaside towns in Asia and Africa, killing 22,000 people in nine countries. Hundreds of children were buried in mass graves in India, and morgues and hospitals struggled Monday to cope with the catastrophe.

The death toll rose sharply a day after the magnitude 9 quake struck deep beneath the Indian Ocean off the coast of Indonesia. It was the most powerful earthquake in the world in four decades.

Walls of water sped away from the epicenter at more than 500 mph before crashing into the region's shorelines, sweeping people and fishing villages out to sea. Millions were displaced from their homes and thousands remained missing Monday.

The governments of Indonesia and Thailand conceded that public warnings came too late or not at all. But officials insisted they could not know the seriousness of the threat because no tsunami warning system exists for the Indian Ocean.

Officials said the death toll would continue to rise, and the international Red Cross said it was concerned about waterborne diseases.

Sri Lanka said more than 10,000 people were killed along its coastlines, and Tamil rebels said 2,000 people died in its territory, raising that country's toll to more than 12,000.

Indonesia reported about 5,000 deaths and India 3,000. Thailand a Western tourist hotspot said hundreds of people were dead and thousands more were missing. Deaths also were reported in Malaysia, Maldives, Myanmar, Bangladesh and Somalia, 3,000 miles away in Africa.

On the remote Car Nicobar island northwest of Sumatra, Police Chief S.B. Deol told New Delhi Television he had reports that another 3,000 people may have died. If confirmed, that would raise India's death toll to 6,000 and the overall number to 23,900.

"The Andaman and Nicobar islands have been really badly hit," said Hakan Sandbladh, senior health officer at the Geneva headquarters of the International Federation of Red Cross and Red Crescent Societies.

Offers of aid poured in from around the globe, as troops in the region struggled to deliver urgently needed aid to afflicted areas.

In Bandah Aceh, Indonesia, 150 miles from the quake's epicenter, dozens of bloated bodies littered the streets as soldiers and desperate relatives searched for survivors Monday. Some 500 bodies collected by emergency workers lay under plastic tents, rotting in the tropical heat.

"We have ordered 15,000 troops into the field to search for survivors," Indonesian military spokesman Edy Sulistiadi said. "They are mostly retrieving corpses."

Refugees in nearby Lhokseumawe, many of whom had spent the night sleeping outside on open ground, complained that little or no aid had reached them. The city's hospital said it was running out of medicine.

The Indian state of Tamil Nadu reported thousands of deaths. Chief Minister Jayaram Jayalalithaa called the scene "an extraordinary calamity of such colossal proportions that the damage has been unprecedented."

Nearby beaches resembled open-air mortuaries as fishermen's bodies washed ashore, and retreating waters left behind others killed inland. In Cuddalore, red-eyed parents buried more than 150 children laid in a mass grave that a bulldozer filled with sodden earth.

The tsunamis came without warning. Witnesses said sea waters at first retreated far out into the ocean, only to return at a vicious pace. Some regions reported a crashing wall of water 20 feet high.

"The water went back, back, back, so far away, and everyone wondered what it was a full moon or what? Then we saw the wave come, and we ran," said Katri Seppanen, who was in Thailand, on Phuket island's popular Patong beach.

Sri Lanka and Indonesia said at least 1 million people were driven from their homes in each country. Warships in Thailand steamed to remote tropical island resorts to search for survivors as air force helicopters in Sri Lanka and India rushed food and medicine to stricken areas.

In Indonesia, villagers near northern Lhokseumawe picked through the debris of their ruined houses amid the smell of decomposing bodies.

One man, Rajali, said his wife and two children were killed and he could not find dry ground to bury them. Islamic tradition demands that the deceased be buried as soon as possible.

"What shall I do?" said the 55-year-old man, who, like many Indonesians, goes by a single name. "I don't know where to bury my wife and children."

Dozens of bodies still clad in swimming trunks lined beaches in Thailand.

In Sri Lanka an island nation some 1,000 miles west of the epicenter about 25,000 troops were deployed to crack down on sporadic, small-scale looting and to help in rescue efforts. About 200 inmates took advantage of the chaos, escaping from a prison in coastal Matara.

The U.S. Geological Survey said the quake's magnitude was 9.0 the strongest since a 9.2-magnitude temblor in Alaska in 1964 and the fourth-largest in a century.

The quake occurred more than 6 miles deep and was followed by a half-dozen powerful aftershocks. A 620-mile section of a geological plate shifted, triggering the sudden displacement of water.

Countries around the world were touched. Italy reported 11 of its citizens had died; Norway 10; Britain four; the United States and Denmark three each; Australia, France, Sweden and Belgium two each; and New Zealand one.

Those numbers likely would rise. Sri Lanka said 72 foreign tourists were killed there, and Thailand said 35 of the dead were foreigners.

President Bush expressed his condolences over the "terrible loss of life and suffering." From the Vatican, Pope John Paul II led appeals for aid for victims, and the 25-nation European Union promised to quickly deliver $4 million.

Aid agencies and governments around the world began pouring relief supplies into the region Monday. Japan, China and Russia were among the countries sending teams of experts.

Jasmine Whitbread, international director of the aid group Oxfam, warned that without swift action, more people could die.

"The flood waters will have contaminated drinking water and food will be scarce," she said.

In Thailand, Gen. Chaisit Shinawatra, the army chief, said the United States has offered to send troops stationed on Japan's Okinawa island to assist. Thailand was considering the offer.

Tsunamis as large as Sunday's happen only a few times a century. A tsunami is a series of traveling ocean waves generated by geological disturbances near the ocean floor. With nothing to stop them, the waves can race across the ocean like the crack of a bullwhip, gaining momentum over thousands of miles.

An international tsunami warning system was started in 1965, after the Alaska quake, to advise coastal communities of a potentially killer wave.

Member states include the major Pacific rim nations in North America, Asia and South America. But because tsunamis are rare in the Indian Ocean, no system exists there. Scientists said deaths would have been reduced if one had.

Associated Press reporters Lely T. Djuhari in Banda Aceh, Indonesia, Sutin Wannabovorn and Alisa Tan in Phuket, Thailand, and S. Srinivasan in Cuddalore, India, contributed to this report.

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Why do Bad Things Happen to Us?

From your views Why do 'bad' things befall us? How does all that come into play? Is everything karma or can anything just happen?
How would a KC devotee deal with let's say he's on the road preaching and someone stabs him badly, how would you view that?

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by Ravindra Swarup dasa

About five years ago, when we were having an altar installed in our new temple, the overseer from the marble company would regularly bring his seven-year-old son along to watch. The boy was very handsome, with jet-black hair and pale skin and long, dark eyelashes. He was well behaved and always seemed in good humor
even though he could hardly walk at all. I never saw him take more than a few steps, leaning on a wall and straining his torso with an awkward twisting motion and
then swinging forward a leg clamped into a large, clumsy brace.

The boy had been born crippled. While he was cheerful despite that, his father was not. His father was an angry man. "When that boy was born I stopped going to
church," he told me once, as he knelt on our altar putting grout between the marble slabs. "I never did anything bad enough to deserve this. Sure, I'm not a saint, but
I don't deserve this. And even if I did, what could HE have done?"

The aggrieved father, an unsophisticated marble contractor, was raising a problem that has long preoccupied Western religious thinkers, so much so that it has
created a special discipline called THEODICY, a branch of theology concerned with justifying the ways of God to man. Theodicy deals with what is usually called
"the problem of evil." St. Augustine cast it into the form of a dilemma: "Either God cannot or God will not eliminate evil from the world. If He cannot, He is not
all-powerful; if He will not, He is not all-good." This formulation makes the logic of the problem clear: to show that the existence of a world with evil in it is
compatible with the existence of a God who is BOTH all-powerful AND all-good. To deny either one of these attributes would easily explain evil, but orthodox
theologians have always considered that unacceptable.

Those who find the problem of evil intractable usually deny the existence of God outright rather than settle for a God limited either in power or goodness. Would
such a finite being really qualify to be called "God"? Would he be worthy of our worship?

Although philosophers and theologians have left us a huge body of technical literature on the problem of evil, it is far from a theoretical concern. It is everybody's
problem, sooner or later. Suffering is universal. But oddly enough, practically as widespread is the sufferer's feeling that he has been unfairly singled out. From
millions comes the outraged cry: "Why ME! What did I do to deserve this?"

It is for such people that Harold S. Kushner, a Massachusetts rabbi, has written his book WHEN BAD THINGS HAPPEN TO GOOD PEOPLE. It is a painfully
honest treatment of what the author claims is the one theological issue that reaches folks "where they really care."

Kushner's book grew out of his personal pain; his testimony commands respect. He tells how his son was afflicted from infancy with progeria, a disease that brings
on rapid aging, so that Kushner saw the boy grow bald and wrinkled, stooped and frail, until he died of old age in his fourteenth year. Kushner presents the victim's
point of view, and he lets us hear the real voices of people in pain. In that stark light, the standard religious justifications for our misfortunes, which Kushner lays out
one by one, do indeed seem like facile verbal shuffles that don't take people's suffering seriously but simply try, however lamely, to get God off the hook.

Kushner effectively criticizes the standard answers handed out by priests, ministers, rabbis, and he offers instead his own radically unorthodox solution. His book has been a bestseller for months, and he has attracted a large and grateful following among Jews, Catholics, and Protestants. Indeed, the popularity of his view among
members of America's mainstream churches and synagogues suggests something of a grassroots theological rebellion.

The most reprehensible device of theodicy, in Kushner's view, is to remove the blame from God by putting it onto the sufferer, to explain suffering "by assuming that
we deserve what we get, that somehow our misfortunes come as punishment for our sins." To accept that bad things happen to us as God's punishment, Kushner
says, may help us make sense of the world, give us a compelling reason to be good, and sustain our belief in an all-powerful and just Deity - yet it is not "religiously

By "religiously adequate" Kushner means "comforting." Seeing suffering as a punishment for sin is not comforting, because it teaches people to blame themselves for
their misfortunes, and so creates guilt, and it also "makes people hate God, even as it makes them hate themselves."

Kushner tells us of a couple who blamed their teenage daughter's sudden death on their own failure to observe the prescribed fast on a Jewish holy day: "They sat
there feeling that their daughter's death had been their fault; had they been less selfish and less lazy about the Yom Kippur fast some six months earlier, she might still
be alive. They sat there angry at God for having exacted His pound of flesh so strictly, but afraid to admit their anger for fear that He would punish them again. Life
had hurt them and religion could not comfort them. Religion was making them feel worse."

It is a virtue of Kushner's work to bring up anger at God up front, to talk at length about what few believers have had the courage to admit, even to themselves.
Many people must be grateful that someone has recognized their real feelings and has dealt with them openly.

But the worst thing about the belief that our misdeeds cause our misfortunes, says Kushner, is that it doesn't even fit the facts. People do suffer ills they don't
deserve; bad things happen to good people all the time. Kushner adamantly maintains this. To the thousands who resent life's unfair treatment, who proclaim in
outrage and indignation, "I didn't do anything to deserve this!" Kushner answers, comfortingly, "That's right, you didn't."

And Kushner is not talking about saints, about people who never do wrong. Rather, he wants to know "why ordinary people, nice friendly neighbors, neither
extraordinarily good nor extraordinarily bad, should suddenly have to face the agony of pain and tragedy... They are neither much better nor very much worse than
most people we know; why should their lives be so much harder?"

Here, tapping into a great psychic underground of resentment, Kushner has found his following. He has been willing to openly acknowledge a vast repressed sense
of betrayal, a great silenced accusation that leaks unwillingly from the hearts of the believers and wends its way up to the divine ear as the universal unvoiced
antiprayer: "You didn't hold up Your end of the bargain!"

Kushner insists that the innocent suffer, and as conclusive proof he advances that grievance which has been the bane of Judeo-Christian theodicy and which
occasioned his own harrowing foray into the problem of evil: the suffering and death of children.

This is what drove the marble contractor to take up atheism, the usual response of those who feel God has failed them. But atheism is the response Kushner wants to prevent with his book. To restore the faith of those who have been spiritually devastated by misfortune, Kushner offers his own story of how he and his wife
"managed to go on believing in God and in the world after we had been hurt."

Kushner is indeed convinced that the existence of a God both all-good and all-powerful is incompatible with the evils of our world; yet he wants us to go on
believing in God - but not in a God who is all-powerful. God is good, but there are limits to what He can do. God does not want us to suffer; He is as angry and
upset at our misfortunes as we are. But He is also helpless.

This is Kushner's credo: "I believe in God," he says, but - "I recognize His limitations." As a result, Kushner tells us in relief, "I no longer hold God responsible for
illness, accidents, and natural disasters, because I realize that I gain little and I lose much when I blame God for these things. I can worship a God who hates
suffering but cannot eliminate it more easily than I can worship a God who chooses to make children suffer and die, for whatever exalted reason."

It is not hard for me to put myself in the place of Kushner or the marble  contractor: I have children of my own. I can even understand why, given the kind of religion
they know, Kushner can worship only a finite deity, and the marble contractor can't bear to enter a church. Nevertheless, I don't have the problem with God that
they do. When bad things happen, I don't find myself calling into question either His power or His goodness.

Of course, I am a devotee of Krsna; my religious convictions are founded upon the Vedic theism revealed in the BHAGAVAD-GITA and the
SRIMAD-BHAGAVATAM. To espouse those convictions has been viewed by most normal Americans as a radical thing to do. But now we find that many normal Americans are willing to do something that, in its way, is more radical than what I've done. They are abandoning one of the most basic and universal theistic tenets:
they are becoming worshipers of God-the-not-almighty.

I want to tell you how we handle the problem of evil. If you, like so many others, are unsatisfied with the standard Judeo-Christian theodicy, perhaps you will
consider our Krsna conscious view before following Rabbi Kushner.

In the BHAGAVAD-GITA Krsna explains that you and I, like all living beings, are spiritual entities, souls. We now animate bodies made of matter, but we are not
these bodies. Our involvement with matter is unfortunate, for it is the cause of all our suffering. We rightly belong in the spiritual kingdom, where life is eternal, full of
knowledge and bliss. There everyone is joyously surrendered to the control of God as they directly serve Him in love. Every action is motivated exclusively by the
desire to satisfy God.

But some of us perversely wished God's position for ourselves. We wanted independence so that we could try to enjoy and control others like God does. Yet we
cannot, of course, take God's place; He alone has no master. But to grant our desires, God sends us to the material world, where He now controls us indirectly,
through His material nature and its laws. Here we can forget God, strive to fulfill OUR desires, and have the illusion of independence.

Yet we are controlled by the laws of nature, and these force us to perpetually inhabit a succession of temporary material bodies. In ignorance, we identify ourselves
with each body we enter, and we suffer again and again the pains of birth, old age, disease, and death. Life after life we transmigrate through plant, animal, and
human bodies, sometimes on this planet, sometimes on far better ones, sometimes on far worse.

Once we take a human birth, our destiny is shaped by KARMA. In the BHAGAVAD- GITA (8.3) Krsna succintly defines KARMA as "actions pertaining to the
development of material bodies." This means that there are actions we do now that determine our future material bodies. What kind of actions? Those motivated by
material desire. We may do them directly for ourselves or indirectly for our extended self - our family, friends, community, nation, and the like. All such acts sentence us to future births in the material world, there to reap what we have sown.

KARMA is of two kinds: good and bad. Every civilized society recognizes a set of commandments that have divine authority and that regulate material enjoyment.
Such commandments, for example, restrict the enjoyment of sex to marital relations and oblige the wealthy to be philantropic. They also encourage religious and
charitable acts, which earn the performer merit. And they prescribe atonements for transgressors. Thus people are allowed to pursue material enjoyment, but they
must observe moral and religious codes. And those who follow these codes, who live pious lives of restricted sensual pleasure, are assured of even greater
enjoyment in the life to come.

If we act according to scriptural regulations, the VEDAS tell us, we will produce good KARMA and in future births enjoy the benefits of our piety. For example, if a person is born in an aristocratic family, is beautiful, well educated, or very wealthy, he is reaping the benefits of good KARMA. The VEDAS also tell us that if a
person is extraordinarily pious he may be reborn on one of the higher planets in this universe, where the standard of sensual pleasure is far greater than anything we
have on earth.

Conversely, there is bad KARMA. We create bad KARMA when we disregard scriptural injunctions and restrictions in our pursuit of sensual pleasure - that is,
when we act sinfully. Bad KARMA brings us suffering and misfortune, such as birth in a degraded family, poverty, chronic disease, legal problems, or physical
ugliness. Exceptionally bad KARMA will take us into animal bodies or down to lower planets of hellish torment.

The law of KARMA is as strict, relentless, and impartial as the grosser natural laws of motion and gravity. And, like them, it applies to us whether we know about it
or not. For example, if I eat the flesh of animals even though I can live as well without it, my bad KARMA will force me to be born as an animal and to be
slaughtered myself. Or if I arrange to have a child killed in the womb, I simultaneously arrange for myself to be killed in the same way, again and again, without ever
seeing the light of day.

So when you and I were born we inherited, along with our blue eyes or our black hair, the consequences of our past good and bad deeds. We have a long history,
and the happiness and distress our lives will bring is set. We are indeed children of destiny, hostages to fortune, but it is a destiny we created for ourselves, a fortune
self-made. And in this life we are continuing to create our future.

But of all this Kushner is unaware, and he can make no sense of his suffering. He has the unshakable conviction that God owes him an agreable and happy life, that
God is obliged to arrange matters for his satisfaction. But God fails, bringing on Kushner's crisis of faith. It can only be that God is either bad or weak, Kushner
reasons, and then settles for weakness.

Yet in spite of Kushner, God is both all-good and all-powerful. But He does not engineer our suffering - we do. We are the authors of our KARMA. And it is our
decision, not His, that brings us down into the material world, into the realm of suffering.

So the answer to the question "Why do bad things happen to good people?" is "They don't." All of us here in the material world are - how shall I put it? - NOT OF
THE BEST SORT. Reprobates and scapegraces - each of us persona non grata in the kingdom of God. We are sent here because we seek a life independent of
God, and He grants our desire as far as possible. But since His position is already taken, we can only play at being God while deceiving ourselves that we are
independent of Him.

At the same time, the material world reform us, teaches us through reward and punishment to acknowledge God's supreme position. For by natural law we are
rationed out the pleasures we desire according to our observance of the divine regulations, following the ways of good KARMA. The practice of good KARMA,
then, amounts to a materially motivated religion, an observance of God's orders on the inducement of material reward. By this practice, spanning many lifetimes, I
may, it is hoped, become habituated to following God's commands and reconciled to His supremacy. Thereupon I become eligible at last to take up the pure and
eternal religion, in which, completely free from all material desires, I serve God in loving devotion, asking nothing in return. This religion, called BHAKTI in the
VEDAS, causes my return to the kingdom of God. The acts of BHAKTI are KARMA-less: they produce no future material births, good or bad.

From the VEDAS, then, we learn of two clearly distinct religions, one pure and the other impure. Practicing good KARMA can elevate us in the material world,
secure for us a vast life span on heavenly planets, and so on. In other words, it can make us first-class inmates of the material world. But BHAKTI alone can release us from the prison altogether. Even the best KARMA cannot free us from suffering, as Krsna warns in the BHAGAVAD-GITA (8.16): "From the highest planet in
the material world down to the lowest, all are places of misery where repeated birth and death take place." But BHAKTI destroys all karmic reaction, extirpates all
material desires, revives our pure love for God, and delivers us beyond birth and death to His abode. There we never taste temporary, material pleasure but rather
relish eternal, spiritual bliss by serving Krsna and thus joining in HIS bliss.

It is a signal of virtue of the Vedic tradition that it distinguishes so clearly between the religion of good KARMA and the religion of BHAKTI and  offers BHAKTI
purely, without compromise. Most of us, whether Catholic, Protestant, or Jew, have been taught a kind of common karmic religion: God has put us on this earth to
enjoy ourselves, and if we do so within the ordained limits, not forgetting to show God gratitude and proper respect, He will see to our success. We should ask God to meet our needs and fulfill our lawful desires, for He is the greatest order supplier. If we are observant and good, He will reward us well in this life and even better
in the next.

This is the religion Kushner professed: "Like most people, my wife and I had grown up with an image of God as an all-wise, all-powerful parent figure who would
treat us as our earthly parents did, or even better. If we were obedient and deserving, He would reward us. If we got out of line, He would discipline us, reluctantly
but firmly. He would protect us from being hurt or from hurting ourselves, and would see to it that we got what we deserved in life."

Of course, Kushner begins to reconsider his religion when he discovers that it doesn't work. At this point, most people (like the marble contractor) become atheists.
The idea of God as order supplier is thus responsible for a great deal of unbelief. But Kushner wants to preserve his faith in God, or at least in God's goodness, by
denying His power.

Kushner's chief defense of his position is that it is "religiously adequate," that is, comforting. You will recall that he accused conventional theodicy of making people
feel worse - causing them to feel guilty and to hate God. The explanation of suffering I have presented shouldn't make anyone feel worse. True, it says that we cause
our own suffering, yet the point is not to make us feel guilty. The point is to let us know we've made some mistakes and should correct them. And why should we
resent God for our suffering? Suffering comes by the law of KARMA. But KARMA is the impartial working of causal law.

Hostility toward God is what has put us under that law; it certainly won't help us get out. For His part, God is making every effort to get us out: He comes to this
world from time to time to teach the path of BHAKTI, which will destroy all our KARMA, He sends His representatives throughout the world on the same mission,
and He even stays with us as the indwelling Supersoul during our sojourn in the material world, ready to give us the intelligence to approach Him when we put aside
our ancient enmity.

Kushner has the right instincts: he too would like people to cease their enmity toward God, and he even recognizes the ignobility of worshiping Him on the condition
that He satisfy our demands. But if only we recognize God's limitations, he says, we won't be angry at Him when things go wrong in our life, nor will we worship Him for the satisfaction of our desires. Kushner thus urges the religious adequacy of his own theodicy.

But it is far from adequate. Kushner's problem is that he cannot overcome the conditioning of karmic religion. He needs something more spiritually powerful than
good instincts to free him from the implicit hostility toward God, the unconscious, deep-seated unwillingness to serve Him unconditionally, that binds the conditioned
soul to KARMA.

Kushner is still hostile. Because God did not satisfy his demands, Kushner must think of Him as ineffectual and weak. Kushner once thought of God as a parent who always gratifies our desires. But now Kushner's views Him as needing our forgiveness - for having failed as a parent: "Are you capable of forgiving and loving God
even when you have found out that He is not perfect, even when He has let you down and disappointed you by permitting bad luck and sickness and cruelty in His
world, and permitting some of those things to happen to you? Can you learn to love and forgive Him despite His limitations... as you once learned to forgive and love your parents even though they were not as wise, as strong, or as perfect as you needed them to be?"

Kushner asserts that his hostility toward God is no more, but what he has really done is simply change the form in which it is expressed - from rage to
condescension. And this idea of God will only support our unwillingness to acknowledge His supremacy, and thus it will help keep us in the material world, where
we will continue to suffer. Thus Kushner's theodicy will not make us feel better; it will only make us feel worse.

Furthermore, if we think God weak and ineffectual, it is certain that we will not be able to surrender to Him fully and serve Him without any personal consideration.
The condition that makes such service and surrender possible is His promise of complete protection. "Declare it boldly," Krsna tells His disciple Arjuna, "My
devotee never perishes." (Bg. 9.31) Because we can depend upon God completely, we can surrender to Him completely: "Abandon all varieties of religion and just
surrender unto Me. I shall deliver you from all sinful reactions. Therefore you have nothing to fear." (Bg. 18.66)

If we accept Kushner, we will always have to look out for ourselves; we will have to act for our own sake, and so we will remain involved with KARMA. Our
service to God will never be total and unconditional. Indeed, as long as we insist on taking care of ourselves, God will leave us to our own devices.

But if we accept Krsna, if we give up independent action and depend completely on God, devoting all our effort to His service, He will take complete care of us.
We shouldn't expect God to remove all inconvenience, but if difficulty comes we should simply tolerate it, recognizing that our residual bad KARMA is playing itself
out, and continue to expect God's mercy.

God will minimize the karmic reaction due us, but the ultimate way He protects us is by bestowing spiritual consciousness upon us and destroying the ignorance by
which we identify ourselves with matter. Krsna describes that consciousness in the BHAGAVAD-GITA (6.22-23): "In that joyous state, one is situated in boundless transcendental happiness and enjoys himself through transcendental senses... Being situated in such a position, one is never shaken even in the midst of the greatest
difficulty. This, indeed, is actual freedom from all miseries arising from material contact." God frees us not so that we can goof off, not so we can get some "reward,"
but so that we can serve Him wholeheartedly, without any other concern.

So if we accept Krsna, we can solve the problem of evil. That solution doesn't lie in rejecting either the goodness or the power of God, but rather in taking
advantage of that goodness and power to perform pure devotional service - and in that way end all our suffering forever.

Read more on Karma here:

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Karma - An Infallible Justice

Why me! What did I do to deserve this?" The outraged cry that comes from a person who feels he has been unfairly singled out for suffering by cruel providence.

"Why do bad things happen to good people?" The perplexing question that haunts the minds of many when they see pious people victimized by painful reverses in life.


"The problem of evil" has been the bane of Western theologians and thinkers for centuries together. In simple terms, the problem is: Why does evil exist in the world despite the presence of an almighty God?

The Vedic scriptures give a clear understanding of the problem of evil. They explain that evil is not God's creation; evil comes upon us due to our own bad karma. When we succumb to our lower nature, we exploit the resources of mother nature in an unlawful way and / or cause suffering to other living beings just for the fulfillment of our base desires. By such actions, we fix up appointments with suffering in the future. (And all living beings share a remarkable memory quirk - they forget their own wrongdoings very quickly) So when our due suffering reaches us, we have conveniently forgotten the wrongs that we did in the past. And so the indignant outburst, "Why me?"


John walks into his house and sees an ugly burn scar on the right hand of his father. Shocked, he cries out, "Father, what happened?"
Mr. Adams calls his family physician early morning, "Doctor I am having a sever stomach upset." The doctor promptly asks, "What did you have for dinner last night?"
Mr. Dull is having respiratory problems. After examining him, the doctor asks him, "At what age did you start smoking?"
These are simple, everyday incidents, but all of them involve implicit acceptance of the concept of karma. On seeing a particular effect, the person involved desires to know its cause. This is what the law of karma actually is: to every action there is a reaction. (Newton's third law, which deals with only the gross physical level, is a subset of this general law of karma) Thus karma is not a sentimental religious concept; its implicit acceptance forms the basis of practically everything done by everyone from every walk of life. Just try to imagine life without any cause-effect relationship! Chaos would reign supreme.

Read the full article HERE

Lord Jagannath safe and well in Puri in Orissa:

Aftershock rattles Orissa

Bhubaneswar, Dec. 26: The quake that had its epicentre in Sumatra today shook several coastal districts of Orissa, including capital Bhubaneswar, around 6.30 am.

Tremors were also felt in the districts of Jajpur, Balasore, Kendrapara, Ganjam, Jagatsinghpur, Talcher and Raygada. No loss of life was reported in the state.

The Met office in Bhubaneswar said the impact of the quake was felt at 6.33 am. The tremor lasted for about 30 second and measured between 2 and 3 on the Richter scale, according to the director of the Met office, Mrutyunjay Mohapatra.

Panic gripped residents in the city, who rushed out of their houses as doors and windows rattled. Several apartments in Bhubaneswar developed cracks.

Dhamra in Bhadrak district and Gopalpur in Ganjam district witnessed tsunamis as high as 4-6 metres between 8.30 am and 11 am.

Officials said a young boy - part of a picnic party from Berhampur - was washed away into the sea at Gopalpur but was rescued by fishermen. Many boats and nets have been washed away near Gopalpur.

The sea level was also reported to have risen at Paradeep port.

This is the first time that Bhubaneswar has witnessed such an earthquake.

What Orissa experienced was the result of a ripple effect, Mohapatra said,as the place of origin was about 2,100 km southeast of the state.

"It felt as if the whole building shook," said 80-year-old Tarapada Banerjee, who lives on Ratha Road. He said all the residents of the apartment block rushed downstairs.

Puri untouched

The aftershocks did not affect Puri, where 90 per cent of the tourists are from Bengal.

"I did not feel a thing. Nothing has happened here," said Partha Ray Chowdhury, who had checked into Puri Hotel yesterday and planned to go around the town this evening.

"Was there an earthquake?" asked Kalyan Chakraborty, manager of Rani Hotel.

samasrita ye pada-pallava-plavam
mahat-padam punya-yaso murareh
bhavambudhir vatsa-padam param padam
padam padam yad vipadam na tesam

"For one who has accepted the boat of the lotus feet of the Lord, who is the shelter of the cosmic manifestation and is famous as Mukunda, or the giver of mukti, the ocean of the material world is like the water contained in a calf's footprint. param padam, or the place where there are no material miseries, or Vaikuntha, is his goal, not the place where there is danger in every step of life."

Owing to ignorance, one does not know that this material world is a miserable place where there are dangers at every step. Out of ignorance only, less intelligent persons try to adjust to the situation by fruitive activities, thinking that the resultant actions will make them happy. They do not know that no kind of material body anywhere within the universe can give life without miseries. The miseries of life, namely birth, death, old age and diseases, are present everywhere within the material world. But one who understands his real constitutional position as the eternal servitor of the Lord, and thus knows the position of the Personality of Godhead, engages himself in the transcendental loving service of the Lord. Consequently he becomes qualified to enter into the Vaikuntha planets, where there is neither material, miserable life nor the influence of time and death. To know one's constitutional position means to know also the sublime position of the Lord. One who wrongly thinks that the living entity's position and the Lord's position are on the same level is to be understood to be in darkness and therefore unable to engage himself in the devotional service of the Lord. He becomes a lord himself and thus paves the way for the repetition of birth and death. But one who, understanding that his position is to serve, transfers himself to the service of the Lord, at once becomes eligible for Vaikunthaloka. Service for the cause of the Lord is called karma-yoga or buddhi-yoga, or in plain words, devotional service to the Lord. (Bhagavad-gita 2.51 pp)

Tsunami Kills Few Animals

Wed Dec 29, 6:18 AM ET

By GEMUNU AMARASINGHE, Associated Press Writer

YALA NATIONAL PARK, Sri Lanka - Wildlife officials in Sri Lanka expressed surprise Wednesday that they found no evidence of large-scale animal deaths from the weekend's massive tsunami — indicating that animals may have sensed the wave coming and fled to higher ground.

An Associated Press photographer who flew over Sri Lanka's Yala National Park in an air force helicopter saw abundant wildlife, including elephants, buffalo, deer, and not a single animal corpse.

Floodwaters from the tsunami swept into the park, uprooting trees and toppling cars onto their roofs — one red car even ended up on top of a huge tree — but the animals apparently were not harmed and may have sought out high ground, said Gehan de Silva Wijeyeratne, whose Jetwing Eco Holidays ran a hotel in the park.

"This is very interesting. I am finding bodies of humans, but I have yet to see a dead animal," said Wijeyeratne, whose hotel in the park was totally destroyed in Sunday's tidal surge.

"Maybe what we think is true, that animals have a sixth sense," Wijeyeratne said.

Yala, Sri Lanka's largest wildlife reserve, is home to 200 Asian Elephants, crocodile, wild boar, water buffalo and gray langur monkeys. The park also has Asia's highest concentration of leopards. The Yala reserve covers an area of 391 square miles, but only 56 square miles are open to tourists.

The human death toll in Sri Lanka surpassed 21,000. Forty foreigners were among 200 people in Yala who were killed.

'Vivekanand Rock saved our lives'

NEW DELHI: What was till Sunday morning a picture postcard holiday, turned into a nightmare for Atul Dighe and his family. The 33-year-old employee of an infrastructure finance company, was at the Vivekananda Rock at Kanyakumari with his wife Meenal and their five-year-old daughter, when Tsunami waves arrived in force at the tourist spot on Sunday.

"At 9 am, we took a ferry to Vivekananda Rock, which is located in the middle of the sea. At about 10.30 am, the water started receding and moved away from the shore. I could actually see the floor of the sea," said Atul, a resident of Bandra in Mumbai speaking to TNN over telephone.

What he saw next was even more terrifying. "There was a huge wave, about 30-40 feet high coming towards us from the Arabian sea side. There were about 2,000 people on the spot, including about 100 children. Everyone was screaming and running in different directions and it was a stampede," recalled Meenal.

Had it not been for the statue, behind which they all stood, the death toll in India could have been higher by hundreds. "The huge wave hit the statue and went back. After that the water kept receding and increasing for another two hours, but thankfully there were no more such waves," said Atul. 

Tsunami changes India's coastline

Tuesday, December 28, 2004 (New Delhi):

Latest satellite images show that Sunday's killer tsunami has changed the topography of India's coastline.

The southern part of the Andaman and Nicobar Islands consists of 19 islands known as the Nicobars, in which Great Nicobars, Mancowrie, Car Nicobar and Trinket are prominent.

Nature's wrath

A satellite image of Trinket island, taken on December 21 compared to a latest image shows the destruction the tsunami has done to the island.

Another satellite image taken on December 26 shows that the tsunami waves have swamped the centre of the island almost splitting it in two. Trinket is an island with a majority tribal population.

The satellite pictures show big changes in Chennai as well. Satellite images taken early this year shows Chennai's waterfront - the famed Marina beach.

The Adiyar river can also be seen running through the city.

Another satellite picture taken of the same area on December 27 shows how the tsunami has washed away a major segment of the beach. Around 200 people died in Chennai alone.

Kakinada Bay submerged

It is the same story in Andhra Pradesh where nearly 100 persons lost their lives.

Satellite pictures of the Kakinada Bay in Andhra Pradesh taken in January this year compared to an image taken on December 27 show the glaring images of destruction.

The picture shows many of the islands in the bay have been submerged by the tsunami.

The trigger for the tsunami ­ a destructive wave train created by an undersea disturbance ­ was a 9 magnitude earthquake, just off the northern tip of Indonesia's Sumatra island.

'Earthquakes don't kill; human error does'

December 27, 2004

Dr V Rajamani is a professor at the School of Environmental Sciences, Jawaharlal Nehru University, New Delhi, specialising in the field of geo-chemistry. He explained the factors behind Sunday's earthquake and its implications to Deputy Managing Editor Amberish K Diwanji.

8.9 on the Richter scale. That is a massive earthquake. How often do such earthquakes occur?

It is a massive earthquake, especially if we remember that the Gujarat earthquake that caused so much death and destruction measured 7.3 on the Richter scale. Earthquakes of such magnitude are very rare, perhaps occurring once every few hundred years. But earthquakes of lesser magnitude are more frequent; thus we can say less the magnitude, more the frequency.

'Earthquakes do not give prior warning'

This was a submarine earthquake. Would you explain this phenomenon and what happens?

Such quakes occur in the earth under the sea or ocean. If they occur 30 kilometres or more deep in the earth, they are called deep earthquakes and their devastation is much less since the earth is able to absorb the energy released by the quake.

In this case, the epicentre was just 10 kilometres deep in the ground, so it was a shallow earthquake, which is much more dangerous. Also, the depth of water makes a difference. The more the water depth, more of the energy unleashed by a quake can be absorbed, and vice-versa.

When such a submarine quake occurs, it generates seismic sea waves, otherwise known as tsunamis. I have heard some reports term them as tidal waves; they are not tidal waves which are caused by the tides due to the moon's gravity pull; these are tsunamis that are caused by earthquakes.

When the quake occurs, tsunamis of small amplitude are caused on the surface (that is, waves that range from centimetres to half a metre in height). These tsunamis travel very fast, up to 800 kilometres per hour, which means that in the present case, the quake occurred at 6.28 am, and the tsunamis hit Tamil Nadu three hours later.

The thing is, as the tsunamis travel, they become larger, especially as they enter shallow waters, which means a beach or when approaching land and here the high goes up to a few metres. There have been tsunamis as high as 30-40 metres, but the tsunamis that hit India were about 3 metres to 4 metres high.

Yet, no one can recall tsunamis crashing into India?

That is true but the fact is that earthquakes must have occurred and such tsunamis must have occurred. In fact, one of the greatest earthquakes also occurred in the Indonesian islands when the Krakatoa volcano blew up (in 1883, considered the greatest volcanic explosion in recorded history).

'India not prepared to tackle tsunamis' (pictures)

Every volcanic explosion causes an earthquake, though not vice-versa. So when Krakatoa blew up, it must have caused tsunamis but no one remembers them because it must not have caused much damage at all.

Earthquakes by themselves don't kill; what kills is human error.

So in the present case, the deaths are more due to human failure?

I have just come back from Chennai a couple of days ago and I had noticed that all along the beach there are huge settlements. It is common knowledge that staying alongside the beach is fraught with risk and is never to be done. So when the tsunamis came, they no doubt killed many of the poor people who live along the beach.

In fact, two reasons why the death toll in villages is less is, one, of course the density of the settlements is much less than say in Chennai; second, because in the villages, the villagers don't live on the beach but behind the beach. A beach is like a ridge that prevents the sea from entering the village. So the death toll in Chennai and towns is high because without regard to elementary rules, people have been settling down on the beach and this has been encouraged by the politicians.

The tsunamis have also caused flash floods that claimed lives.

While a beach or seafront creates a natural ridge to prevent the tsunamis from going deep inside, the exception is at the mouth of a river where no such natural formation occurs. Here, tsunamis force their way up the river from the mouth and thus cause massive flash floods. But here again, it is the poor people who will die because they live along the banks of the river when they should never have been there in the first place.

Every time there is a flood in India, the death toll is among those who live on the banks. This happens every year along the Yamuna in Delhi.

India is a considered a seismic active region. Would you throw some light on this?

This earthquake -- and all the earthquakes that happen in India -- occurred because the Indo-Australian tectonic plate is grinding into the Asian plate, and sinking under it. Where the two plates meet is an arc that runs from the Himalayas down to the Indonesian islands past Australia. So every decade or so there is an earthquake, every 50 or so years there is a massive earthquake, and every few hundred years there is an earthquake of this very huge magnitude. This is all part of the tectonic plates shifting and there is nothing we can do to stop that.

Also earthquakes have their advantages: they push land further up, thus helping vegetation flourish. So it is part of the shaping of the earth.

The problem is even after we know that India is in the active quake region, we have done so little to prepare for earthquakes. For instance, Delhi is in the high seismic zone, yet unscrupulous builders keep making their houses taller. So the next time there is a tremor, these houses are going to tumble and cause huge death and destruction.

We cannot predict where and when the next earthquake will strike. What we can predict is that it will happen, sooner of later, though now we can say that the magnitude is likely to be less. What we can do is prepare for it so that the death toll is low. Please remember, after the Gujarat earthquake, there was a massive quake in the western part of the US and the death toll was negligible. The reason was that they are ready for quakes. We are not.

The Karma of Misfortune

Some victims of India's earthquake would link their suffering to past karma. How do we make sense of tragedy?

By Arvind Sharma

This article originally appeared on Beliefnet in January, 2001, after an earthquake killed thousands of people in Gujarat, India.

An earthquake does more than shake up the world; it shakes up our worldview. It forces us to ask that most difficult question of all: Why? And not just why me, but why us?

There are three distinct yet interrelated ways of answering these questions: through science, through God, and through the Hindu concept of karma.

Science states simply that the cause of this particular suffering is natural in origin. Earthquakes are the result of tectonic activity, and if we happen to be in the wrong place, we're simply victims of a random occurrence. Our fate is determined by statistical contingency.

Science deals with causes, not purposes. "What purpose does a volcano have in blowing up?" is the wrong question for a scientist to ask, for "purpose" presupposes a conscious principle at work. If no such principle exists, then we're helpless.

Would we rather feel guilty than helpless? This is where religion enters in. One strand in religious thinking identifies God as the supreme conscious principle. Once we do that, the whole line of questioning takes a different turn. When causation becomes conscious, there's a reason why we suffer. We're compelled to respond like Yesica del Carmen Berrius, the coffee picker from El Salvador. After witnessing the killer quake that hit his country, he asked, "What have we done that God has punished us like this?" (Time, January 29, 2001, p. 5)

We run into the problem of Job and come out with the conventional response from theism - that the will of God is inscrutable. The gulf fixed between us creatures and the creator is so vast that we cannot comprehend God's actions no matter how hard we try, no more than a dog can comprehend his master's. Some religious scholars, like Rabbi Kushner, have proposed a less forbidding response: that God is doing his best to manage the world, but sometimes he slips up too. In that sense, even God can err.

But to err is human too, and tragedy could in some way be a punishment for our sins. This is precisely what Mahatma Gandhi claimed of the earthquake that devastated Bihar in India in 1934: that it was God's punishment for the sin of untouchability practiced by the Hindus. Of course, many did not accept this explanation. Rabindranath Tagore, the rationalist and Nobel laureate, was vehement in his opposition, condemning Gandhi for promoting irrational and even superstitious thinking.

The principle of karma plays a key role in the Hindu moral universe. It’s a principle which can operate on its own like any natural law, such as that of gravitation. Many victims of the recent earthquake in India would account for the suffering inflicted by the earthquake in terms of past karma.

But just as there were two views regarding the extent to which God might be complicit, there are two views of how karma might be involved.

According to the more fatalistic version of karma, the suffering caused by the earthquake would be present-day payback for the victims' past misdeeds. According to a more Buddhist version, however, only a Buddha's insight could determine whether the actual earthquake was a purely natural event, or in the nature of a moral event, involving punishment for bad karma. And if bad karma, whose bad karma? Is the Chinese occupation of Tibet the outcome of the past bad karma of the Tibetans, or simply the perpetration of bad present-day karma by the Chinese?

Clearly, any "explanation" is profoundly ambiguous. If we are religious and accept a conscious God, we face ambiguity -- is our suffering caused by our failing or God's? If we decide to go past God and rely on karma, we still face ambiguity as to whether the earthquake was a karmic or natural event.

Our suffering is straightforward. Our responses -- whichever route we take -- lead us into ambiguity. So should we give way to despair?

I don't think so. For ambiguity contains within it the possibility of choice. In fact, ambiguity makes our choice genuine. If we knew for certain that an earthquake was the outcome of only natural causes or divine causes or karmic causes, would we be free human beings? For if ambiguity comes with choice, then with choice comes freedom.

To sum up: Perhaps we should be thankful that we can't be sure whether earthquakes are solely a natural process or are to some degree a punishment for sins. Not knowing helps us function--without feeling completely powerless in the face of natural disasters, and without feeling complete despair when confronted with our past misdeeds.

After all, no matter to which chain of causation we are bound, we're entirely free to help the victims. At another level, we may find the noble resolution of ambiguity in such altruism.

According to news reports, one victim of last week's devastating earthquake was a schoolteacher who used to ask his students: "What remains when everything is lost?"

He is no longer with us to provide the answer, so we must: "The future."

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There Is a God, Leading Atheist Concludes

NEW YORK, NEW YORK, December 15 2004: A British philosophy professor who has been a leading champion of atheism for more than a half-century has changed his mind. He now believes in God - more or less - based on scientific evidence, and he says so on a video released Thursday. At age 81, after decades of insisting that belief is a mistake, the professor, Antony Flew, has concluded that some sort of intelligence or first cause must have created the universe. A super-intelligence is the only good explanation for the origin of life and the complexity of nature, Flew said in a telephone interview from England. Flew said he was best labeled a deist, like Thomas Jefferson, whose God was not actively involved in people's lives. "I'm thinking of a God very different from the God of the Christian and far and away from the God of Islam, because both are depicted as omnipotent Oriental despots, cosmic Saddam Husseins," he said. "It could be a person in the sense of  a being that has intelligence and a purpose, I suppose."

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"Here in this world there are thousands of newspapers and magazines reporting the stale, repetitious happenings of this limited space. So for reporting the news of the unlimited spiritual realm, concerning the eternal, ever-fresh Supreme Personality of Godhead, we could publish a newspaper at every second, what to speak of daily."

- Srila Bhaktisiddhanta Saraswati Thakur Prabhupad.

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Christians See Conversion Opportunities in Disaster Relief

VIRGINIA, USA, December 28, 2004: The Christian website,, published a long story about Christian relief efforts following the tsunami ("source"). While the Christian charity exhibited by the rapid response of Christian organizations is admirable, the ulterior motives of conversion expressed by some are disturbing:

Some excerpts:

...."Doctor Ajith Fernando, who is considered by some to be the "Billy Graham of Sri Lanka,' heads up the Youth for Christ (YFC) office there. A long-time friend and partner of NDI, he wrote to Williams from Sri Lanka: 'What a sad day this has been! We keep hearing of more and more friends and loved ones of friends who have died or lost much of their belongings. The death toll for Sri Lanka alone is over 10,000 and keeps rising. We have prayed and wept for our nation for many years. The most urgent of my prayers has always been that my people would turn to Jesus. I pray that this terrible, terrible tragedy might be used by God to break through into the lives of many of our people.' "

...."In the wake of this disaster, Gospel For Asia's 1.5 million-member Believers Church in India is rallying support and deploying its leadership and members to minister to those suffering both physically and spiritually. 'In times like these, we know that God opens the hearts of those who suffer, and we pray that as our workers demonstrate God's love to them, many of them will come to know for the first time that real security comes only through Him,' Gospel For Asia president K.P. Yohannon said. He add, 'We ask that our brothers and sisters in the West take the time today to pray for these millions of victims, that they will feel God's presence and grace in a special way.' "

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The Naxilites did a similar opportunistic collecting of votes during the floods and famine of war torn Bengal and East Pakistan (now Bangladesh) in 1971. The people of that region who were formerly mostly followers of Lord Chaitanya Mahaprabhu and the decsendent followers such as Narottam Dasa Thakur mahasay etc. So they are naturaly devotional and rely on God for help. As the devotees prayed for help from God the Communist Naxilites intimidatingly mocked and told them not to bother with God, there is no God, there's no God who can help you, look at the mess......... They preached like that to give up their devotions and prayers and instead to approach the Russian backed CPI (Communist Party of India and the Naxilite mission to get rid of religion) Some who obviously had shorter vision in their plight and need gave up their devotions to Vaishnavism (Hinduism) and embraced Communism for the price of some chappatti flour, fresh drinking water, and some chattai roofing handed out by propagandist Communists. The faithful however, saw only the hand of God answering their prayers. After all they didn't pray, please give this way or that way, they simply prayed out of necessity for help. So who can we blame the opportunist Communisits trying to further their goals by using such disasters to their advantage, or is it the lack of faith of the foolish people who gave up God for a handful of rice and chappatti flour? It is easy to blame one thing or another, but the fact is that for those who are faithful, EVEN the most horendous event happens and they are forced to give up their bodies and die, if they remain faithful they are still at an advantage on the eternal spiritual tredmill. Those who out of ill informed desperation sell themselves short for some food in their belly etc actually lose everything. They lose devotion to God, they lose their self respect, they lose their culture, and are treated as "ignorant" "uncultured" "uncivillized" "savages" etc by the triumphant conquering western religions like Christianity and Islam.

Future hope in hands of Iskcon:

There is a lot of evidence round the world to suggest that at one time Vedic culture was prevalent throughout the world. In course of time, however, it broke down and gave rise to many unhealthy practices. People seemed to forget the main point of the Vedic culture that one should submit to the will of the Supreme Being. Their faith was reduced to endless, empty rituals and blatant propitiation of various gods and Goddesses for all sorts of mundane favours. Hereditary caste system came into being and smothered the urge to improve spiritually. So, in response to all this, many new religions came into being. As the Lord tells us in the Bhagavad Gita," Whenever and wherever there is a decline in religious practice, O descendant of Bharata, and a predominant rise of irreligion -- at that time I descend myself."
So, Christianity, Islam, Buddhism, Sikhism and Jainism -- all these religions appeared in reaction to the unhealthy state of the correct spiritual culture. Christianity, Islam and Sikhism -- all are fiercely monotheistic because, when they appeared, polytheism was rampant. Also, all these are strongly against the hereditary caste system. Buddhism and Jainism put a lot of emphasis on 'ahimsa' or non-violence because when they appeared, animal sacrifice was very much the order of the day. These two religions also put a lot of emphasis on righteous thought and action because at that time people were indulging in many undesirable activities, in the hope that they would escape any painful consequences by propitiating their gods and Goddesses.

Fortunately for all of us, Srila Prabhupad has now resurrected the Vedic system in its purest form. It is pure, it is practical and it is concerned with the spirit of things and not with mere labels. It has every thing that a truly universal spiritual culture needs to have. It is rooted in authentic scriptures and it completely ignores one's place of birth, colour of skin or any other physical peculiarities. It puts equal emphasis on one's own efforts and on the Lord's grace. It also draws on the teachings and personal examples of generations of past spiritual masters. Last, but not least, it has no political aspirations. So, it is bound to sweep over Christianity, Islam and other religious systems which came into being to fill in the spiritual vacuum. Christianity seemed to have lost its original spritual message. It has become more or less a superficial Sunday morning ritual. Its highest reach seems to be material welfare work. And Islam with its fanaticism and violence seems to have something very disturbing at its very core. Lord Buddha was the very embodiment of non-violence but Buddhists of to-day very rarely follow his example. Mankind seems to be crying for spiritual guidance. Fortunately we have something worthwhile in our hands now. The future is full of hope but also many challenges. It is fervently hoped that we would rise up to them.

Sent in by Mr GL Mehta, former President of the South Taranaki (NZ) Indian Association.

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How British Misguided World on Vedic History

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Once there was a monkey who was jumping around in the forest when he saw a big tree that was half cut through with a plug wedged in it. The system of the wood cutters was that they would sometimes half cut through a big tree, leave it for the day, and then come back and cut the rest of it the next day. In the meantime, to preserve their cut, they would put a plug there. This monkey became very curious about the half-cut tree and he managed to push out the plug. The big tree suddenly joined and cut off his tail.

The moral: Do what one is asked of and otherwise mind your own business:

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"Dry Land In Ocean Of Faults"
May 14th, 1977 Hrishikesh, India

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Prabhupada: Fifth Canto, fifth chapter.
Tamala Krsna: Fifth Canto, fifth chapter? I don't have the first volume, Srila Prabhupada. We only have the second volume of Fifth Canto with us.
Prabhupada: No other Bhagavatam?
Tamala Krsna: We do. We have Prahlada Maharaja's teachings, Seventh Canto.
Prabhupada: No, Bhagavata original?
Tamala Krsna: Original Bhagavatam.
Prabhupada: Then?
Tamala Krsna: Panditaji might have taken.
Prabhupada: Ask Pradyumna.
Upendra: Is he downstairs?
Tamala Krsna: I don't think so.
Prabhupada: Hm?
Upendra: Panditaji's not here.
Prabhupada: Why he does not remain here?
Tamala Krsna: He does his work at the Svargasrama. He's supposed to come here to explain. He's been coming every day.
Prabhupada: You recite that verse, nunam pramattah kurute vikarma yad indriya-pritaya aprnoti [SB 5.5.4]. The instruction of King Rsabhadeva to His sons. He said that "This body, human body..." Ayam dehah. Nayam deho deha-bhajam nrloke. Deha. Everyone has got deha, body. In the Bhagavad-gita it is said, tatha dehantara-praptih: [Bg. 2.13] "After this body is finished, another body...," because atma, na jayate na mriyate va, nityah sasvato 'yam na hanyate hanyamane sarire [Bg. 2.20]. Atma is eternal. There is no birth, no death. Nitya, eternal; sasvatah puranah, the oldest; and na hanyate hanyamane sarire [Bg. 2.20]. Therefore this is the problem. The atma has no birth, no death, and neither he is dead after the annihilation of this body. But we are put into this condition. We are not put, but we have put ourself. We are putting ourself in this condition of repetition of birth and death. Bhutva bhutva praliyate [Bg. 8.19]. Once we take birth, and again we annihilate this body. So Rsabhadeva says, "This ignorance of self-realization must be removed." Therefore He says, ayam dehah: "This body should not be misused like animals," ahara-nidra-bhaya-maithuna. This is the advice. Ayam dehah nrloke. He especially mentions, nrloke: "in the human form of body." The dog, cat, or doglike man, catlike man, they may remain in ignorance. They have no chance. There are uncivilized men. Although they have got two hands, two legs, but because there is no knowledge, they have been described as dvi-pada-pasu. They are animal with two legs. Other animals, they have got four legs, and this rascal has got two legs. That is the difference. So ayam dehah, this body, na ayam dehah nrloke... Nayam dehah nrlo..., deha-bhajam. Deha-bhajam. This is also very significant. There are innumerable living entities. Jiva-bhagah sa vijneyah sa anantyaya kalpate [Cc. Madhya 19.140]. These jivas, living entities, part and parcel of God, anantyaya kalpate. Just like the sunshine. What is the sunshine? The sunshine, this is very atomic parts of the sun brightness. They are individual, but they are combined. We see one shining. So similarly, God is compared with the sun, and we are atomic particles of God, the same thing in a very small... Kesagra-sata-bhagasya satadha kalpitasya ca [Cc. Madhya 19.140]. You take the tip of the hair and divide it into ten thousand parts, and that one part is the formation of the jiva.

satadha kalpitasya ca
jiva-bhagah sa vijneyah
sa canantyaya kalpate
 [Cc. Madhya 19.140]

You cannot count how many there are. Now these, some of the jivas, not all of them... Majority of them, they live in the spiritual world, just like majority of the population of the state, they live outside the prison house. Prison house means some of the citizens who are criminals, they are put into the jail. Similarly, these living entities who are criminals, means who have rebelled against the order of God, they are sent here, in this material world. So they are suffering one term after another. Therefore here is the chance, ayam dehah nrloke. In the form of human body you can get out of it. Tyaktva deham punar janma [Bg. 4.9]. This is chance. And therefore Rsabhadeva says, "My dear boys, you don't spoil your life." "I am working and enjoying. I am not spoiling." "No, this kind of working is done by the cats and hogs." Kastan kaman arhate vid-bhujam ye: [SB 5.5.1] "For sense gratification the hogs and dogs, they also work very hard and then enjoy senses. So this body is not meant for that purpose." You are thinking that you are working so hard, karmi, and big, big skyscraper building and nice motorcar, nice roads. Electricity you have discovered. You are very advanced. Rsabhadeva says, "This kind of advancement..." [break]...motorcar. "Gow! Gow! Gow! Gow!" Therefore He warns, "No, no, no, no. This is not civilization." Nayam deho deha-bhajam nrloke kastan kaman [SB 5.5.1]. "So much hard labor for sense gratification? This is not good." Then? What it is meant for? Tapo divyam. So human life is meant for tapasya, self-realization, atma-suddhi. Atma can be purified from the contamination of the material modes of nature by tapasya. That is real civilization. Tapo divyam putraka yena suddhyet sattvam. Your existence will be purified. Now your existence is not purified. Therefore you have to accept birth and death, old age and disease. It is not purified. So here is the chance to purify your existence. Tapo divyam putraka yena suddhyet sattvam yasmad brahma-saukhyam anantam. Brahman means the greatest, unlimited. You are hankering after happiness, but if you purify your existence, then you get unlimited happiness of Brahman. Anantam: "There is no end." Here, whatever happiness you are getting, that is not unlimited. Limited. That limited happiness is available in the life of cats and dogs also. So the human life is meant for tapasya. Tapo divyam putraka yena suddhyet sattvam yasmad brahma-saukhyam anantam [SB 5.5.1]. So this tapasya can be practiced... Mahat-sevam dvaram ahur vimukteh [SB 5.5.2]. You have to render your service to mahat, mahat, mahatma. And who is mahatma? Mahatmanas tu mam partha daivim prakrtim asritah, bhajanty ananya-manasah [Bg. 9.13]. This is mahatma. Krsna says.
Sa mahatma sudurlabhah.
bahunam janmanam ante
jnanavan mam prapadyate
vasudevah sarvam iti
sa mahatma sudurlabhah
 [Bg. 7.19]

One who has understood Krsna -- "Vasudeva is everything" -- he is mahatma. Sa mahatma. So that is recommended. Mahat-sevam dvaram ahur vimukteh [SB 5.5.2]. If you get the chance of getting such mahatma, then try to give him service. Become his servant. Then your path of liberation will be open. And tamo-dvaram yositam sangi-sangam. Those who are after sense gratification, if you associate with them, then you are going to the darkness. Two ways are open: ahur vimukteh and dvaram, tamo-dvaram. Now make your choice, "In which way we shall go, in this way or that way?" Everything is given, information, in the Bhagavad-gita and all other sastras. Bhagavad-gita is the gist of all Vedas and Upanisads, Vedanta. Vedanta-krd vedanta-vit. Krsna is vedanta-vit and vedanta-krt. Krsna, in His incarnation as Vyasadeva, He has compiled the Vedanta-sutra. He has recommended also in the Bhagavad-gita, brahma-sutra-padais caiva hetumadbhir viniscitaih [Bg. 13.5]. Brahma-sutra-padaih, everything is established very reasonably. So Krsna is speaking Vedanta-sutra. Veda means knowledge. Anta means the end of knowledge. The end of knowledge is to understand Krsna. Bahunam janmanam ante jnanavan [Bg. 7.19]. Man of knowledge is jnanavan. So ordinary jnanavan, little knowledge, they cannot understand. Yatatam api siddhanam [Bg. 7.3]. But a person cultivating knowledge for many lives, he can understand. Vasudevah sarvam iti sa mahatma sudurlabhah [Bg. 7.19]. So Vasudeva personally explaining Himself, "I am like this; I am like that." Why should we not understand? What is the objection? Boliye.
Guest (1) (Indian man): There should be no objection.
Prabhupada: But people are not following Vasudeva. They are creating new Vasudeva. And somebody told that Krsna is an ordinary man? Trivikrama Maharaja or somebody told me. Avajananti mam mudha manusim tanum asritam [Bg. 9.11].
Tamala Krsna: Yeah, the people who are coming in at night are saying that.
vasudeve bhagavati
bhakti-yogah prayojitah
janayaty asu vairagyam
jnanam ca yad ahaitukam
 [SB 1.2.7]

In order to come to the position of that mahatma, one has to render service to Vasudeva. Vasudeve bhagavati bhakti-yogah prayojitah. Then jnana-vairagya automatically will be manifested. Janayaty asu vairagyam. Real life means vairagya. Just like these boys known as hippies. They are trying for vairagya. They are coming from countries, very opulent, rich father, mother, but they do not like, inclined to vairagya, renunciation. But renunciation must be based on knowledge, jnana-vairagya. So that they are lacking. They are not fixed up. But there is a tendency of vairagya. Is it not? That is also good. (Hindi) Therefore, according to Vedic civilization, there is compulsory vairagya. As soon as one is fifty years old, he must give up family life. Pancasordhvam vanam vrajet. Aiye. (Hindi) Jawaharlal Nehru, up to the end of his life he wanted to remain prime minister. (Hindi with scattered English words) Practical application there are. (Hindi) (pause) (Hindi) (Hindi conversation with scattered English) Without bhakti, jnana is never sufficient, but bhakti does not depend... Ahaituky apratihata. It cannot be checked. (Hindi) Bhagavan is within. Isvarah sarva-bhutanam hrd-dese 'rjuna tisthati [Bg. 18.61]. And He assures... (Hindi) The so-called jnani, he wants to become liberated and become one with the Supreme-kanksati. When actually one is self-realized, na kanksati. Yogi kanksati. (Hindi) Bhagavan is the Supreme. We are part and parcel. So I have already given you the example, these fingers, part and parcel of the body. The only desire should be how to serve the body. That is selfishness. (Hindi) Then where is that picture? The gopis are pushing Radharani to Krsna. (Hindi)
Guest (1): Krsna likes Radha-Krsna.
Prabhupada: No, no, no.
Tamala Krsna: No, no, no, no.
Guest (1): Radharani first.
Prabhupada: Yes.
Guest (1): Therefore all the cowherd girls are trying to push Her to Krsna.
Prabhupada: Yes.
Guest (1): Krsna likes Radharani.
Prabhupada: Yes.
Guest (1): Therefore all the cowherd girls are trying to push Her to Krsna.
Prabhupada: Yes.
Guest (1): (Hindi)
Prabhupada: (Hindi) "Oh? Krsna likes Her?" They become envious. But here: "Oh? Krsna likes Her? All right."
Guest (1): To please Krsna.
Prabhupada: Yes. The purpose is to please Krsna.
Guest (1): (Hindi)
Prabhupada: (Hindi) That is Vrndavana. That is described in Caitanya-caritamrta, that... Aiye. Atmendriya-priti-vancha tare bali kama [Cc. Adi 4.165]. (Hindi) The gopis' lila with Krsna... (Hindi) ...the desire is "How Krsna will be happy." (Hindi)
Guest (1): That is all sense gratification.
Prabhupada: That's all. There is no prema. There cannot be any prema within this material world. All kama.
Guest (1): This is prema.
Prabhupada: (Hindi) This picture has appealed to me, this picture, "Krsna likes Radharani? Push Her." (Hindi) This is prema, in the beginning of. (Hindi) Arcanam. This is called arcanam. Arcanam. Arca-murti-seva. (Hindi) Thank you very much. (Hindi) So next you are here... (Hindi)
Tamala Krsna: I have a photograph. Should I bring it?
Prabhupada: Yes. (Hindi)
Tamala Krsna: All we had was this Melbourne photo. We don't have the Sydney... We have the Melbourne Deities. Still, it's nice.
Prabhupada: Melbourne and Sydney, white.
Tamala Krsna: Yes, I knew it was Australia.
Prabhupada: (Hindi)
Tamala Krsna: It's about 6:30 now, Srila Prabhupada
Prabhupada: Have sankirtana.
Guest (1): (Hindi)
Prabhupada: (Hindi)
Guest (1): You have got a copy?
Tamala Krsna: I have the original, not a copy.
Prabhupada: You can give him.
Guest (1): If I... If I could have access to it?
Prabhupada: He's done(?).
Guest (1): Yes, you can safely believe. (Hindi) But I couldn't follow all the legal words.
Prabhupada: (Hindi)
Guest (2) (Indian man): He says that he passed his M.A... He passed his M.A.
Prabhupada: (Hindi)
Guest (2): And there he told it's all right to...
Guest (1): Faith.
Guest (2): Faith.
Guest (1): Faith, yes, yes.
Guest (2): Not Christianity or not Hinduism. Anything you like.
Prabhupada: Not anything.
Guest (2): Not anything?
Prabhupada: Religion.
Guest (2): Religion.
Prabhupada: Not anything.
Guest (2): Everyone has right to follow.
Prabhupada: Yes. Every man has right to follow any, mean, established religion. And they have accepted, this Hare Krsna movement is established religion in India for many thousands of years.
Guest (1): Only there should be no fault.
Prabhupada: There is no fault. There is no fault. Everyone is learning voluntarily. (Hindi)
Tamala Krsna: Should we hold kirtana, Srila Prabhupada? (kirtana begins) (end)

>>> Ref. VedaBase => Evening Darsana -- May 14, 1977, Hrishikesh

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FEBRUARY 12 - 20, 2005


The goals of this Festival are:

(1) In the 108th year of his birth, to re-affirm Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupad's pre-eminence as the single greatest Indian-born spiritual messenger of modern times.

Over the past 33 years the consciousness and worship of Radha and Krishna have increased greatly all over India. Yet the names Bhaktivedanta Swami and Prabhupad remain unfamiliar to many citizens. The name ISKCON is well recognized, but has been lumped with other Hindu societies as just another religious institution. Other personalities dominate the public image as great torchbearers of Hinduism, while the real Hero responsible for single-handedly reviving the spiritual life of India in its purest form and spreading it all over the world, has been largely forgotten.

(2) To inspire a cultural renaissance among Indian youth; to become the preferred spiritual guides for India's new generations;

Thousands of Indian youth--including a great many hi-IQ students and young professionals--are being attracted to Krishna Consciousness, especially in Mumbai.

(3) To bring together ISKCON devotees from all parts of the globe in a joyous celebration of Srila Prabhupad; from Mumbai devotees can travel onwards to the Mayapur Festival in early March.

2004's deity installation gathering in Mayapur was a major eye-opener: to have so many thousands of global ISKCON devotees assembled in one place was a blissful experience beyond compare.


    The format of the 1971 event will be followed in all respects. Each day different ones of Prabhupad's most advanced disciples from around the world will give morning and evening lectures, just as Prabhupad did back in '71. International devotees will perform kirtans under the leadership of famous kirtan leaders.
Gorgeous Radha-Krishna deities will be housed and worshipped around-the-clock.
A "Vedic Global Village" tent will be constructed where the public can view big-screen videos and check out displays and presentations by individual temples from different parts of the world.
Drama groups will stage performances.
A "Life of Prabhupad" photo display, dioramas, book stalls and information booths will surround the main pandal tent.
Krishna prasadam will be distributed throughout the day.

Public Impact:     Being in the heart of India's most populous city, there is a ready-made audience of many thousands of people per day. A widespread advertising campaign will be launched to insure large public participation. Media coverage will be extensive.

 "By the Grace of Their Lordships Sri Sri Radha and Krishna our recent festival in Cross Maidan Exhibition Ground has been counted a grand success, and quite noticeably the spirit of bhakti has been actively revived in  Bombay. My blessings go especially to all of you who have joined with us in service." ---A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami, April 1971.

 "On behalf of those who were blessed to witness Srila Prabhupad's wondrous pastimes  conceiving, organizing, managing-and starring in-the 1971 Cross Maidan event, I am appealing to all Devotees, especially the old Bombay hands, to help us make this 2005 show a similar resounding success!" ---Shyamasundar das, 33 years later.

Contributions, inquiries or ideas can be addressed to:
Telephone:  +91-22-2369-7228
ISKCON Radha-Gopinath Mandir
7, K.M.Munshi Marg,
Chowpatty, Mumbai
India 400 007

Co-Chairmen, Prabhupad Festival:    H.H. Radhanath Swami,  H.H. Giriraj Swami, Shyamasundar dasa

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Congratulations to Keshava Gopal prabhu and his good wife Shyama Gopi mataji who gave birth to a baby girl on Tuesday, at the Swan Dist. Hospital, in Perth Australia. We wish them all well

Srila Prabhupad on the topic:
"Sucinäm Shrimatäm gehe. So this child is born of a devotee father and devotee mother. Now he?ll again begin from the point where he lost last life. Suppose Krishna consciousness he executed fifty percent. So he?ll begin from this life fifty-one percent. That fifty percent was in his stock. But ordinary karmis?cent percent lost. He has to begin another chapter of life according to his karma." (Srila A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada. 17th July 1971. Lexture in Detroit.)

"There are two kinds of children born of good fathers: one is educated in Krishna consciousness so that he can be delivered from the clutches of mäyä in that very life, and the other is a ray of the Supreme Personality of Godhead and teaches the world the ultimate goal of life." (Srila A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada. 8th August 1976. Srimad Bhagavatam class SB 3:22:19. Tehran, Iran)

Lord Sri Krishna says in Bhagavad Gita 7:11.

balam balavatäm cäham
dharmäviruddho bhüteshu
kämo ?smi bharatarshabha

balam?strength; bala-vatäm?of the strong; ca?and; aham?I am; käma?passion; räga?and attachment; vivarjitam?devoid of; dharma-aviruddhah?not against religious principles; bhüteshu?in all beings; kämah?sex life; asmi?I am; bharata-rishabha?O lord of the Bhäratas.

"I am the strength of the strong, devoid of passion and desire. I am sex life which is not contrary to religious principles, O lord of the Bhäratas [Arjuna]."

"Kandarpa is the sex desire for presenting good sons; therefore Kandarpa is the representative of Krishna. Sometimes sex is engaged in only for sense gratification; such sex does not represent Krishna. But sex for the generation of good children is called Kandarpa and represents Krishna." (Srila A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada. Bhagavad Gita 10:28 purport.)

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Srila Prabhupada's Vyasa pujan in Mayapur 2003 pictures:

Go to Links to Srila Prabhupada's Vyasa Pujan

Some Official web-sites of senior Iskcon devotees:
HH Bhakti Tirtha Swami (UK)  (Institute for Applied Spiritual Technology) (Perth Aus)

HH Bir-Krishna Goswami's site

HH Devamrita Swami

HH Gopal Krishna Goswami:

HH Indradyumna Swami

HH Jayapataka Swami
Many lectures by HH Jayapataka Swami and HH Radhanath Swami

HH Kadamba Kanana Swami

HH Prabhavishnu Swami

HH Prahladananda Swami

HH Romapada Swami

HH Sacinandan Swami

HH Sivaram Swami:

HH Sridhar Swami (the late Sridhar swami)

HH Suhotra Swami
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HH Trivikram Swami

HG Vaiyasaki dasa Adhikari

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Hare KrishnaSchool & Playgroup

Krishna Conscious education for children

Hare Krishna School in Riverhead, Auckland is a government funded school that runs from 9am – 3pm five days a week. We cover all core subjects in the New Zealand Curriculum and in addition teach Sanskrit, Sastra and Vedic arts. Children who come to this school get everything that children at state schools get plus Vedic culture and values in a serene rural environment.

We also run a preschool program for children 3 and up.

A school bus service provides transport from Auckland suburbs.

For enrolment information please contact:-

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Balgopal Krishna Conscious Preschool in Henderson Auckland prepares children for school with a nurturing academic and character development program founded on Krishna consciousness.

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Harinaam Kirtan and Bhajans in Tauranga BOP.
Every Saturday in the Red Square by the Strand (or Mt. Maunganui)

Come and join the throng 11:00 am - 12:30 pm

...for more details contact Trivikrama dasa (for Trivikram prabhu)

Vegetarian Clubs
Waikato University - Hamilton campus

2 days per week serving about 100 plates each day.

for more information contact Mangala Vaishnava dasa

Auckland Veda club.
Auckland University - Wellesley St. campus

Its a simple weekly program thats been running for a few years, at Clubspace,
where we have a vegetarian prasadam lunch and sometimes show a video.
Srila Prabhupada's books are available to browse or buy.

For more information contact Auckland temple:

Otago University - Dunedin - Vege Club
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Seven hundred plates of free prasadam (food offered to the Lord) were distributed to an appreciative public and to 50 devotees who took part in a central city Harinam (chanting in the streets).

Nimananda das and his wife Suchitra devi dasi, Organisers of the Food for Life Restaurant in Auckland City, celebrated Srila Prabhupada’s 108th Birthday, by following the request of their spiritual master, Tamal Krisna Goswami, to distribute prasadam to the public.They have been performing this act of charity regularly for 19 years in Fiji, Wellington and now Auckland.

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On alternate Monday nights H.H. Mukunda Goswami will be present to speak and answer your questions.

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New CD of Bhaktivinoda Thakur bhajans

by Ashok Krishna das and Syamabiharini dasi

By the mercy of Guru, Gauranga and Radha Krishna, (after our first bhajan album Bhajanamrtam) we have managed to produce a new CD entitled "Bhaktivinoda", a collection of bhajans of Saccidananda Srila Bhaktivinoda Thakur and other Vaisnava acaryas in Orissi classical ragas.

The CD includes 8 bhajans and a 12-page booklet with all lyrics and a translation of the songs:
Gurudeva! Kabe Mora Sei Din Habe
Hari Hari, Kabe More Hoibe Sudina
Kabe Sri Caitanya More
Narada Muni
Janama Saphala Ta'ra
Brajendranadana, Bhaje Jei Jana
Kabe Ha'be Bolo

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You will also meet here with two of its most authentic and senior practitioners,
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Making Food Sacred - Offering our food to Krishna:
....excerpt from lecture by HDG Srila A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada - Srimad-Bhagavatam 1.3.1-3 -- San Francisco, March 28, 1968

The Vedic literature says like this, that God has no leg, no hand. Therefore the impersonalists take advantage of it. "Oh, here it is stated God has no legs, no hands." But the next line is, javana grhita: "He can accept everything which you offer Him in devotion."

Now how He can accept? If He has no hand, how He can accept things from us? That means He hasn't got a hand like us. His hand is different. Therefore even though He is situated in the spiritual world, which is far, far away from us, still, He says in the Bhagavad-gita, it is said,

patram puspam phalam toyam
yo me bhaktya prayacchati
tad aham bhakty-upahrtam
asnami prayatatmanah

Krsna says that "A little flower or little water or a little leaf, whatever My devotee offers Me in love and devotion, I accept it." And tad aham bhakty-upahrtam. "And because he has brought it with great devotion, therefore I eat." Tad aham bhakty-upahrtam asnami. Asnami means "I eat." Now you can say, "All right, I'll offer these fruits and flower to God, but it is the same. It is remaining. How He is eating?" But His eating is not like my eating, because He hasn't got a body like this. This body is material. If you bring me a plate of fruits, this body immediately swallows it. But He has got spiritual body. He eats... Simply as soon as He knows that you have offered it in devotion, He eats immediately.

Go here to follow the simple system for offering foodstuffs to the Lord
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These recipes are specifically used in the Brahma-Madhwa Vaishnava community for shaaka haara vrata - first month of Chaturmasya where one fasts from Greem leafy vegetables - spinach:

Vegan and Vegetarian recipes 

Vegan Cheesy Herb Dip

5.3 ounces tofu (1/3 of a 16-ounce block firm tofu)
4 tablespoons soymilk (1/4 cup)
1 tablespoon tahini (sesame seed paste)
1 tablespoon nutritional yeast flakes
1 tablespoon extra virgin olive oil
1 teaspoon Dijon mustard
1 teaspoon dry parsley flakes
1/2 teaspoon dry oregano
1/2 teaspoon dry marjoram
1/2 teaspoon salt
1 tea spoon hing

Put above ingredients into a food processor. Blend for a full 1-2 minutes to form a smooth and creamy dip. Transfer dip to a bowl and chill a little before serving. Serve with fresh cut up vegetables (zucchini, carrots, celery sticks), chips or wholesome crackers. Makes about 1 cup (2-4 servings).

Tofu Steaks
Submitted by Natalie

Tofu, sliced into 1/4-inch thick slabs
1/2 cup unbleached flour
1/2 cup blue corn meal
1 teaspoon dill weed
1 teaspoon dried rosemary
1 teaspoon dried basil
1 teaspoon celery salt
1 teaspoon dried parsley
1 teaspoon salt
olive oil

Mix the flour, cornmeal, herbs and spices.

Cover the tofu in the mix, twice.

Fry lightly in olive oil. ( I suppose you could brush with oil and bake, too.)

Please use organic, as most mainstream herbs and spices are highly irradiated!

I have found that you can make pretty much any veggies and grains, rice, TVP, and bread crumbs into patties and fry or bake them.

Saffron Mashed Potatoes
2 tbsp double (heavy) cream
a few strands of saffron
900g/2lb potatoes

First cut and boil the potatoes in a large pan of boiling salted water. When cooked, drain, return to the pan and mash with a large knob of butter. Set aside and keep warm. In another large pan, gently warm the cream then remove from the heat. Add the saffron and leave to infuse for 2-3 minutes. Add the cream to the mash and beat well.


250g/9oz plain flour
1tsp salt
1/2 tsp nutmeg
1/2 tsp hing
2tsp baking powder
30ml/1floz/2tbsp olive oil
60g/4tbsp freshly chopped flat leaf parsley
150ml/¼pt milk

To make the dumplings:
Sift the flour, salt and baking powder into a large bowl. Add the olive oil and herbs and spices (reserving a little of the parsley for garnishing). Add the milk and using a fork mix to form soft dough. Place the dough on a lightly floured surface and knead briefly. Shape the dough into 16 walnut sized dumplings.

Remove the stew (thick vege soup or even kirti) from the oven and place the dumplings on top. If you are doing these dumplings with a casseroled vegetable dish then increase the oven temperature to 180C/350F/Gas 4 and return that to the oven and cook, uncovered for 35­40 minutes, or until the dumplings have risen and are golden brown.

Xmas in Acapulco - Mexican Salad
"This salad could also be served as an appetizer with tortilla chips"

1 (15 ounce) can black beans, rinsed and drained
1 (15 ounce) can garbanzo beans, drained
2 cups frozen corn kernels
1 tablespoon chopped fresh cilantro
2 jalapeno peppers, seeded and minced (optional)
1 red bell pepper, diced
1/4 cup olive oil
3 tablespoons fresh lime juice
1 teaspoon ground black pepper
 salt to taste
1/2 teaspoon runny honey

1  In a large bowl, combine the black beans, garbanzo beans, corn, cilantro, jalepenos, bell pepper, olive oil, lime juice, pepper, salt and honey. Mix well; refrigerate and allow flavors to blend.

Date and Walnut barfi

1/2 cup dates (seedless chopped)
1 1/2 cup white til/sesame seeds (roasted and crushed)
2 cups sugar/jaggery
1/2 tsp. elaichi powder - cardamom powder
1 tbsp. ghee
1 tbsp. chopped walnuts
1/2-cup water

Method: Heat ghee in a heavy bottomed pan. Add the sugar./jaggery and the water and cook on a low flame until it forms a thick sticky syrup.
Add in the chopped dates, sesame seeds, elaichi powder and mix well.
Pour the mix onto a greased sheet level and sprinkle the walnuts.
Cut into long finger shaped barfi, cool, offer and serve.

For the Shortbread:
175g/6oz unsalted butter, softened
75g/3oz golden caster sugar
175g/6oz plain flour
75g/3oz rice flour or ground rice

For the Filling:
425ml/¾pt double cream
1 vanilla pod
45g/3tbsp icing sugar, sieved
450g/1lb fresh strawberries, washed

To Garnish:
8 whole strawberries
icing sugar, to dust

1. Preheat the oven to 160C/325F/Gas3.
2. Place the butter into a large bowl and, using a wooden spoon, cream until softened. Add the sugar and blend together.
3. Sift both the plain flour and ground rice together into the creamed mixture.
4. Shape the mixture into a sausage shape, cut it in half and set one half aside. Squash the mixture down onto a large baking tray. Use a 20cm/8in plain flan ring as a guide and press the mixture around the ring. Use the back of a metal tablespoon to smooth the surface of the mixture.
5. Remove the flan ring and decorate the shortcake mixture by crimping the mixture with your thumb and forefinger to form scalloped edges. Prick the surface of the shortcake with a fork. Repeat the process with the remaining shortcake mixture.
6. Place the shortcakes in the fridge and chill for 30-40 minutes until hard. Meanwhile, reserve 8 whole strawberries. With the remaining strawberries remove the stalks (or hull) and cut in half. Set aside.
7. Remove the shortcakes from the fridge and bake for about 30 minutes until pale golden brown.
8. To prepare the vanilla cream filling: pour the cream into a large bowl. Split the vanilla pod with a knife lengthways, scrape out the seeds and add the seeds to the double cream with the icing sugar. Whisk until the cream forms soft peaks.
9. Allow the shortcakes to cool for 2 minutes. Carefully release from the baking sheet with a palette knife. Using a large knife mark into 8 equal wedges. Allow to cool completely.
10. To assemble: place 8 of the shortcake wedges onto a large plate. Lay the wedges closely together. Spoon over half of the whipped cream; pile the halved strawberries onto the cream. Spoon over the remaining cream and place the remaining 8 shortcake wedges at an angle with the reserved whole strawberries underneath to keep each piece at an angle.
11. Dust with icing sugar and serve.

Diabetic Christmas Cranberry Punch
30 servings
7 1/2 cups cranberry juice
3 3/4 cups orange juice
22 1/2 oz sugar-free lemon-lime pop
whole cranberries

Combine the cranberry and orange juices in a punch bowl. Pour the carbonated beverage down the sides of the bowl. Float whole cranberries on the top. Serve over ice.
1/2 cup = 51 calories, 1 fruit exchange 13 g carbohydrate,
0 protein, 0 fat, 3 mg sodium


Vege update:
Social scientists and law enforcement officials have identified animal abuse as a symptom of emotional illness and a precursor to violent crimes against human beings. To allow individuals guilty of perpetrating such cruel acts to go unpunished or not sufficiently punished would be to sanction these horrific crimes and would permit them to go on to possibly commit violent crimes against humans.

The Animal Spirit Newsletter - Issue #2 -  4/21/03-4/27/03

Higher Taste cook book FREE on-line

All the Meatless Pasta preparations you'd like to prepare:
(some need some adjustment, as they contain onion and garlic)

Different Shapes of pasta:

OVER 100 EGGLESS CAKE recipes can be found on our Main index and
on many other pages at:

Visit our Award winning site - Vegetarianism & Beyond
Interesting articles - information - history - arguments - links............ (been re-vamped) fact everything you want to know about Vegetarianism and Beyond:
... last updated 1st October 2004

Nutrition and Health - vitamins, a balanced diet, through prasadam:

Vegetarian Update - newsletter from NZ Vegetarian Socity in Wellington:

“If anyone wants to save the planet, all they have to do is just stop eating meat.
That’s the single most important thing you could do. It’s staggering when you think about it.
Vegetarianism takes care of so many things in one shot: ecology, famine, cruelty.”
--Sir Paul McCartney


Check out heaps of information on Vegetarianism, Prasadam-ism,
download books, Vegetarian Recipe programs, and more.


Points of View
I don't know if Shel was actually a vegetarian or not, but he did do some pro-veg works like the following:

Thanksgiving dinner's sad and thankless,
Christmas dinner's dark and blue,
When you stop and try to see it
From the turkey's point of view.

Sunday dinner isn't funny
Easter feasts are just bad luck,
When you see it from the viewpoint
Of the chicken or the duck.

Oh, how I once loved tuna salad,
Pork and lobsters, lamb chops, too,
Till I stopped and looked at dinner
From the dinner's point of view.

Shel Silverstein - song writer (he wrote all Dr Hook and medicine show's lyrics)

A Beginners Guide to Vegetarianism:

How Mary and Frank and Friends Eat - very nice Vegetarian pages:

Vegetarian recipes:

101 Reasons Why I'm a Vegetarian:

Healthy Indian Vegetarian Cooking Recipes:

Excellent "Meat Substitute" recipes

Hundreds of Vegetarian recipes

Fat-free vegetarian meals:
A lot of inspiring Vegetarian preparations here, some have onion and garlic in,
so replace that with hing or omit that altogether as you see fit, still this page is well worth a serious look for ideas.


"You Mean That's in theBible" - expose on meat eating:

Religious Stands on Vegetarianism

Vaishnavism - Hinduism - Jainism
Christianity - Bible - Book of Morman - 7th Day Adventist
- oxymoron of the yuga:

Protect both our species, two-legged and four-legged. Both food and water for their needs supply.
May they with us increase in stature and strength. Save us from hurt all our days, O Powers!

Rig Veda Samhita 10.37.11.

Download one of Bhakti Rasa prabhu's songs for FREE
"Don't Eat Your Friends" (It Ain't Nice)

and visit Bhakti Rasa prabhu's site:

Check out Kurma prabhu's new web-site:

check out what he's doing during October 2004

XMAS Recipes @
We wish you a Vege Xmas...and a Hari new year.

Wellington Vegetarian Society' Newsletters

You'll also notice that for October we have a book sale of our Living a Good Life book, and it is ideal for vegetarian families - it covers pregnancy, childcare and the teen years, not to mention adults and the elderly.  We've just reprinted more copies as a result of recent demand, and these are selling well, with the proceeds going to vegetarian products including a farm animal sanctuary down our way.

The book "Living a Good Life" normally selling at $21.95 is now going at the $14.95 price which lasts until just after Xmas, although we could consider extending it if anyone were to approach us after them with this reference.


Auckland's New Zealand Vegetarian Society
....has a myriad of excellent books for sale on vegetarianism

see their mention on our 2004 events

Vegetarian and Vegetarian Friendly Restaurants throughout New Zealand

Play the new Diamond Jubilee Vegan Game - Spot The Vegan

Challenge a friend to - Spot The Vegan

How did you do?

According to recent communications with ChelseaSugar group - NZ Sugars their Sugars are now free from "Bone Char" bleaching process and so devotees can again use and offer White Sugar safely.

See more details HERE

As of last week in November 2003 Yopliat the yogurt people now put gelatine in their products
See here for pointers of okay ones

McDeath - the facts about Ronnie McDonalds:

Meet your Meat FREECDRoms
This is a must for those who live in the illusion of animal killing is somehow acceptable or humane.

I have converted the "Meet your Meat" video into a CD rom & will send a copy of it for free to anyone with a Cd burner & a pledge to make at least 4 copies to give to their meat eating friends.

Meet your meat - shocking live footage of the TRUTH in the meat industry:

This is the new version
I sent out a total of over 750 CD's last year to 60 different countries. My goal in 2003 is to double that number.
I would appreciate if you would forward this message to your readers.
Anyone willing to participate, please forward my mailing address as


Vegetarians BEWARE of Orange Softdrinks
Coca-Cola (manufacturer) - Not suitable for vegetarians; lists the following products as not vegetarian
These products contain traces of fish gelatine, which are used as a stabiliser for beta-carotene colour.

Fanta Orange
Diet Fanta Orange
Lilt Pineapple & Grapefruit
Diet Lilt Pineapple & Grapefruit

Soft Drinks - Some canned Orange drinks use gelatine as a carrier for added Beta Caratine.
(This would not appear on the ingredients panel).
(Text PAMHO:5891790) ---------------------------------------

According to recent communications with Chelsea Sugar group - NZ Sugars their Sugars are now free from "Bone Char" bleaching process and so devotees can again use and offer White Sugar safely.

See more details HERE

As of last week in November 2003 Yopliat the yogurt people now put gelatine in their products
See here for pointers of okay ones

 Krishna Conscious - Vedikly acceptable Jokes

Healing with humour: Taking better care of ourselves  =>;-))
Visit our Hasya Rasa pages

Laughter Therapy - its no joke:

FOR YOUR INTEREST: This one is not a joke but I thought you might like to know. These are the names of Lord Caitanya taken from the book "Sri Caitanya Sahasra Nama Stotra", i.e. "A Thousand Names of Lord Caitanya" by Srila Kavi Karnapura (as translated by HG Kusakratha Prabhu from the Krsna Institute)...

        So Lord Caitanya is known as the one:

 - hasya-kari  &  hasya-yuk  ==> who laughs & jokes

 - hasya-priya  ==> who is fond of joking

 - hasya-nagara ==> who is the hero of those expert in speaking joking words

 - hasya-grami  &  hasya-kara  ==> is expert at joking

 - pushpa-hasa  ==> whose smile & laugh are as charminng as flowers.

Lord Gauranga's smiling & laughing qualities ki...

                                                ys Radhe Govinda dasa

P.S. One of the qualities of Srimati Radharani is that she is very expert in the art of joking.

This is a MUST READ =>;-Q

Four Wives parable:

A husband and wife are getting ready for bed. The wife is standing in front of a full-length mirror taking a hard look at herself.

"You know, dear," she says, "I look in the mirror, and I see an old woman. My face is all wrinkled, my boobs are barely above my waist, and my butt is hanging out a mile. I've got fat legs, and my arms are all flabby." She turns to her husband and says, "Tell me something positive to make me feel better about myself."

He studies hard for a moment thinking about it and then says in a soft, thoughtful voice, "Well, there's nothing wrong with your eyesight."

Services for the husband will be held Saturday morning at 10:30 at St.  Anselm's Memorial Chapel.

Two elderly ladies happen to meet at the market after not seeing one another for some time. After inquiring about each other's health, one of them asks how the other one's husband is doing.

"Oh, Ted died last week! He went out to the garden to dig up a cabbage for dinner, had a heart attack and dropped down dead right there in the middle of the vegetable patch!"

"Oh, dear! I'm very sorry." replied her friend. "What did you do?"

"I opened a can of peas instead."

...this one's for the jocular impaired


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Did you ever wonder?

There was a lady who brought her limp duck into the vets office.  The vet said "Your duck is dead, mam."    "Impossible" exclaimed the lady.  "I want a second opinion".   "Alright" said the veterinarian, so he whistles and in comes his labrador retriever, who gets up on the table and sniffs the duck, then turns to the vet and lady and shakes his head "no", then leaves.

"See?"  says the Vet....  "my dog confirms that your duck is dead."    "I don't believe it... this is my special duck... I need a third opinion" the lady cries.    The Vet calls in his Siamese cat, who jumps up on the table, sniffs the duck, looks at the Vet and shakes his head "no."

"Now are you satisfied?" says the Vet to the lady.    "Okay, guess you're right.   How much do I owe you?"   "That'll be 150 dollars.' the Vet replies.    The lady goes ballistic "150 dollars... to tell me my duck is dead????"

The Vet says " Yes, 50 bucks for me and 100 dollars for the lab report and the cat scan!"

Thanx Shyam'

Education is the progressive discovery of our own ignorance.

......if men had PMS

....but there is no such phenomena as PMS so we'll move !!!!

If ignorance is bliss, why aren't more people happy?

Another Oldie but goodie . . .

Two nuns who worked in a hospital were out driving in  the country when they ran out of gas. As they were  standing beside their car on the shoulder of the road, a truck approached them.

Noticing the nuns in distress, the trucker stopped and offered to help. When the nuns explained they had run out of gas, the trucker said he would be more than happy to drain some from his tank, but he didn't have a bucket or a can.

Hearing this, one of the nuns dug out a clean bedpan from the trunk and asked the trucker if it would do. He said it would and proceeded to drain a couple of litres into the pan. He then handed the bedpan to the sisters, got back into his truck and waved good-bye.

While the nuns were carefully pouring the precious fuel into their gas tank, a cop happened by. He stopped and watched them for a few moments, then said, "Sisters, somehow I don't think that's going to work, but I sure do admire your faith!"

sent in by Christine Marshall - Perth Australia

Reflections on the Christmas season

Someone has stated that the three phrases that best sum up the Christmas season are:

"Peace on Earth",
"Goodwill to Men" and
"Batteries not included."

The ways of this material world - strange but true

Once there was a Guru who taught prayer and methods from Vedic scriptures to a number of Students. The students were very obedient and never went against the Guru's wishes.

Every evening, the students would assemble in a Hall where the Guru would teach them the prayer versus and slokhas for them to learn. On one such evening, while the prayer class was on, a black kitten entered the hall. The Guru immediately gave asylum to the kitten and since then the kitten started living in the Ashram.

One fine evening, when the prayer class was about to start, the kitten started playing and thus diverted the students' attention. So the Guru thought of putting an end to this menace and he told a disciple student to tie the kitten to a pillar in the prayer hall, for which he handed a red silk ribbon which was used to tie the Vedic scripts and manuals. Also, the Guru instructed the student to tie the black cat to the pillar in the prayer hall, every evening before start of the prayer and to free it only after the prayer class was over. This he thought, would stop the cat from playing around while the prayer class was on.

This practice was continued everyday for a long time, prior to start of the prayer a student used to tie the black cat in the pillar. One day, the cat died, and the worried students, went in search for another black cat and found one to tie in the prayer hall. The Guru was unaware of this and kept on teaching the students.

After a few years, the Guru too passed away. Then a new person took over as Guru of the Ashram and he too allowed the students to tie the black cat to the pillar of the prayer hall, without knowing the reason, nor did he check with anybody about this practice.

Days passed on, many students had come and gone as also many Gurus changed. However, the practice of tying a black cat in the prayer hall continued, no one knowing the reason nor did anyone bother to check.

After a few generations, a gentleman came forward to write the history of the Ashram in details and wrote everything in praise of the Ashram. The concluding note read:

"The evening prayer of this Ashram is a very typical one, IT IS A MUST to tie a black cat in the prayer hall, with a Red color Ribbon before the start of daily evening prayer."

from my friend  TRS Iyengar, Mumbai - a story told to him by his father some 35 years ago.

One mataji was relating the following story to me:

After my husband and I had a huge argument, we ended up not talking to each other for days.

Finally, on the third day, he asked where one of his shirts was.

"Oh," I said, "So now you're speaking to me."

He looked confused, "What are you talking about?"

"Haven't you noticed I haven't spoken to you for three days?" the mataji challenged.

"No," he said, "I just thought we were getting along."


Sitting at a table in the clubhouse after a game, Joe said to a fellow club member, "I'm not about to play golf with Jasbinda Singh anymore. He cheats."

"Why do you say that?"

"Well, he found his lost ball two feet from the green."

"That's possible."

"Not when I had it in my pocket!" never know where they'll stash contraband goods



The American Mathematical Society used to grant its members a 25-percent discount on all books it published. Its catalogue gave the list price of each book, leaving to its members the task of calculating the discount price. But the mathematicians made so many errors in those computations that the society had to start printing both the list price and the member price.

thanx Bh Mary



Keep this philosophy in mind the next time you either hear or are about to repeat a rumour.

In ancient Greece (469 - 399 BC), Socrates was widely lauded for his wisdom.

One day the great philosopher came upon an acquaintance who ran up to him excitedly and said, "Socrates, do you know what I just heard about one of your students?"

"Wait a moment," Socrates replied. "Before you tell me I'd like you to pass a little test. It's called the Triple Filter Test."

"Triple filter?" asked the acquaintance.

"That's right," Socrates continued. "Before you talk to me about my student let's take a moment to filter what you're going to say. The first filter is Truth. Have you made absolutely sure that what you are about to tell me is true?"

"No," the man said, "actually I just heard about it."

"All right," said Socrates. "So you don't really know if it's true or not. Now let's try the second filter, the filter of Goodness. Is what you are about to tell me about my student something good?"

"No, on the contrary ...".

"So," Socrates continued, "you want to tell me something bad about him, even though you're not certain it's true?".

The man shrugged, a little embarrassed. Socrates continued." You may still pass the test though, because there is a third filter - the filter of Usefulness. Is what you want to tell me about my student going to be useful to me?"

"No, not really..."

"Well," concluded Socrates, "if what you want to tell me is neither True nor Good nor even Useful, why tell it to me at all?"

The man was defeated and ashamed. This is the reason Socrates was a great philosopher and held in such high esteem. It also explains why he never found out that Plato was having an affair with Socrates's wife.

thanx to Shyamasundara prabhu ACBSP for these words of wisdom =>:-))

Essential Trivia so we can appreciate what we've got.......

The next time you are washing your hands and complain because the water temperature isn't just how you like it, think about how things used to be in the so-called civilized western world.

Here are some facts about the 1500s AD:

These are interesting...

Most people got married in June because they took their yearly bath in May, and still smelled pretty good by June. However, they were starting to smell, so brides carried a bouquet of flowers to hide the body odor.

Hence the custom today of carrying a bouquet when getting married.

Baths consisted of a big tub filled with hot water. The man of the house had the privilege of the nice clean water, then all the other sons and men, then the women and finally the children Last of all the babies. By then the water was so dirty you could actually lose someone in it.

Hence the saying, "Don't throw the baby out with the bath water."

Houses had thatched roofs-thick straw-piled high, with no wood underneath.   It was the only place for animals to get warm, so all the cats and other small animals (mice, bugs) lived in the roof. When it rained it becameslippery and sometimes the animals would slip and fall off the roof.

Hence the saying "It's raining cats and dogs."

There was nothing to stop things from falling into the house. This posed a real problem in the bedroom where bugs and other droppings could mess up your nice clean bed.  Hence, a bed with big posts and a sheet hung over the top afforded some protection. That's how canopy beds came into existence.

The floor was dirt.  Only the wealthy had something other than dirt.

Hence the saying "dirt poor."

The wealthy had slate floors that would get slippery in the winter when wet, so they spread thresh (straw) on floor to help keep their footing. As the winter wore on, they added more thresh until when you opened the door it would all start slipping outside. A piece of wood was placed in the entranceway.

Hence the saying a "thresh hold."

                    (Getting quite an education, aren't you?)

In those old days, they cooked in the kitchen with a big kettle thatalways hung over the fire. Every day they lit the fire and added things to the pot.

They ate mostly vegetables and did not eat much meat. They would eat the stew for dinner, leaving leftovers in the pot to get cold overnight and then start over the next day. Sometimes stew had food in it that had been there for quite a while.

Hence the rhyme, "Peas porridge hot, peas porridge cold, peas porridge in the pot nine days old."

Sometimes they could obtain pork, which made them feel quite special. When visitors came over, they would hang up their bacon to show off. It was a sign of wealth that a man could "bring home the bacon." They would cut off a little to share with guests and would all sit around and "chew the fat."

Those with money had plates made of pewter. Food with high acid content caused some of the lead to leach onto the food, causing lead poisoning death. This happened most often with tomatoes, so for the next 400 years or so, tomatoes were considered poisonous.

Bread was divided according to status. Workers got the burnt bottom of the loaf, the family got the middle, and guests got the top, or "upper crust."

Lead cups were used to drink ale or whisky. The combination would sometimes knock the imbibers out for a couple of days. Someone walking along the road would take them for dead and prepare them for burial. They were laid out on the kitchen table for a couple of days and the family would gather around and eat and drink and wait and see if they would wake up.

Hence the custom of holding a "wake."

England is old and small and the local folks started running out of places to bury people.  So they would dig up coffins and would take the bones to a "bone-house" and reuse the grave. When reopening these coffins, 1 out of 25 coffins were found to have scratch marks on the inside and they realized they had been burying people alive.  So they would tie a string on the wrist of the corpse, lead it through the coffin and up through the ground and tie it to a bell. Someone would have to sit out in the graveyard all night (the "graveyard shift") to listen for the bell; thus, someone could be "saved by the bell" or was considered a "dead ringer."

And that's the truth... Now, whoever said that history was boring!!!

sent in by Pauline Archell-Thompson in the UK

.......and always remember (don't forget...)


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